Re: Rolf Harris
 

Plus society as a whole had a real chance to halt this way back in 1974/75 when the Sunday People broke the news about this group. Someone in power pulled the plug on an all out attack on the morals of this group.

This group was an offshoot of a gay rights group which is why gays were treated so roughly back then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange


Believe it or not, the next person to question older people interest into younger people into the consciousness of people around the country was this bloke in this infamous interview.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

They look like the Sex Pistols.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

Twas and Johnny Rotten, had a right go a Bill Grundy for what he thought was learing at one of the girls on set. It made national news for the next week...

Re: Rolf Harris
 

However I think even closer to now than then circa 83/84 the PIE was trying to push for age of consent to be 4 years old and stating that Child sex should be fun and normal,

Lord Justice Fulford was named last year as an adviser to the Queen
He was a key backer of the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange
Police suspect the group of abusing children on an ‘industrial scale’
He is revealed as a founder member of campaign to defend PIE
At the time it was calling for the age of consent to be lowered to just four

And this man is a Judge in the UK still who resides on paedofile offences, unreal

Re: Rolf Harris
 

right on most counts, but I would rather see a compromise on so called extreme ideas, than on 'reasonable' ones

You added fuel to the fire when you said it was perfectly ok to **** a 13 year old <snip>

Re: Rolf Harris
 

I said in some countries it is, and it still is so get used it FFS

Re: Rolf Harris
 

I'll go even further and say what Rolf did probably happened to almost every UK women of my Mothers age group in that generation and generations before. It just wasn't talked about back then. I'm not going to ask her of course, but I bet I'm on the right track.

I reckon what we're left with is what happens when society does a complete U turn within the space of 60 years.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

Most of the rock stars of that era would also be classed as paedophiles, but the girls involved would never come forward because they were the instigators, there was always a crowd of young girls at the stage door after a performance, and they were out to get a really personal performance, a notch for their bedpost. OK the guys shouldn't have done it, but when you get a crowd of young girls all begging for it, then they were unlikely to ask for their birth certificate first. I don't condone it, but the days of the groupies were what they were, and I'm sure there are some these days, but the performers are much more wary.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

One other illustration to perhaps show how endemic this was throughout society in the past.
My father always told me back in the 70's that the nursery rhyme, "Round and round the garden like a teddy bear" was a tool invented by perverts to have a go at kids. He really hated hearing it.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

The headmaster at my secondary school was known for 'wandering hands' syndrome. He'd walk into a classroom to see what was going on and all the girls would sit up, slam their arms in to their body and not make eye contact. Was anything done? Any complaints made? No, he was just considered a sleaze and we just hoped he didn't want to 'see what work we were doing'. His son later went to prison for rape. 'Normal' life in the 70s. Very wrong but 'normal'.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

We had a Art teacher Mr Hilton, who was banged up for touching girls, but............. in 1987 - 1989 the same happened, same teacher, that was my class, girls in class, nothing happened over it.

in 2002 he went to prison for 3 years, for the same thing but a later class, so something changed between 1989 and 2000, I would say about 1996 is when it started to change

Wow its actually recorded on the internet -

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/04/...on-colchester/

Re: Rolf Harris
 

Absolutely. Back in the early 90's I had a mate who had a 14 year old sister who dropped out of school and worked in a supermarket. She looked old for her age. She used to go to the nightclubs, and she was quite friendly with the guys who were in the 18-22 age bracket. She dated a couple of these guys for a while. I don't think they actually knew how old she was, but she was usually the instigator and wanted the relationship. The guys were nice fellas and genuine about the relationship. The guys would come around to her house, have dinner with the folks. I don't think the folks minded as they were nice guys and happy that their daughter was happy. Back then I don't think anyone gave a thought about the age of consent. As long as everyone was happy.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

Don't forget, you also said you were ok with it.

I sincerely hope that no one in here has to go through or witness the fall out from child abuse, it's really not nice, to see your best mate in tears because his wife sees her uncles face whenever he goes near her. To see your mum break down when it becomes shockingly clear to her how close her son came to being raped at 11 years old, or to see what having to look ak pornographic images of children in order to catch the bastards can do to a man. I really hope none of you have to go through this, it may well change your view if you do.

Over dramatised Andyrich?? you know exactly what you can do

Re: Rolf Harris
 

There are so many people using the forum that I'm sure you aren't the only one with personal knowledge/involvement of some kind, in fact I know you're not. Its worth bearing in mind that while you post with personal experience, so do many others.

Re: Rolf Harris
 

I never said that, show me where I said that, second time of asking !

I said I respect other countries cultures and beliefs.

You are a drama queen, in any of the posts I have spoken about I have in no way agreed with older men and younger child type girls, that does not mean that the age of consent cant be lowered for people of close ages.

The age of consent here in Spain was 13, its now 14, you used to be able to marry at 14 its now 16, I think that is about right, but I don't think it is right a older man is having sex with a child type girl, with consent or not, I think there should be a balance of how the consent is allowed, like in Germany

There is no international law or guidelines on the age of consent so you cant just say what you think is right and bugger everyone else.

You have twisted everything I have said to 40 and 60 yr olds, I have never said that is ok in my mind.

Sadly there are countries that will turn a blind eye to that, I also said that documentaries leading up to the world cup, rather than exposing underage sex, actually look like they are encouraging it. The girls in the films certainly are.

For the record this is my feelings to tell you, no one should ever feel under pressure to have sex, and whatever the age of consent does not automatically mean they should be having sex at that age.