Originally Posted by Kapri

I find the whole concept of girls "asking for it" or "instigating it" very sad.

We are not talking about adult women here. We are talking about vulnerable youngsters.

Some feel pressured, some have experienced sexual abuse at home, some are out of their depth - wanting to be the sexually attractive adult but not quite there emotionally.

As a teen, I was in love with various celebrities at various times. I never got to meet any of them and was happy to dream about them from afar.

What may have happened if I had met one? I may have pretended to be an all -knowing, mature young lady, when in fact I was still a child.

My point is that adult males should stick to adult females.

FWIW, I don't think Rolf Harris's crimes are on the same scale as Jimmy Savile's. From what I've read about Saville, I think he was probably a psychopath.

I also don't believe in the death penalty. I just want to see justice done and children and teens protected.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Yep, but in the case of my mates sister, she never mentioned her age, and if asked she said she was 17. She consented, the man was none the wiser, and she was happy.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20

Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith anyone?

Originally Posted by Kapri

Yep, she was 13, he was in his 40s.
I remember reading that she regretted what happened and indicated that these days it would be called grooming.

Originally Posted by Kapri

There are always going to be exceptions.

But also common sense has to prevail.

Let's say this 15 year old tells someone she is 17. If the person she tells is 19 and he goes ahead thinking she is 17, then, provided she doesn't feel she has been pressured, it's unlikely the police would prosecute, even though technically he has broken the law.

Swap that 19 year old lad for a 40 year old bloke. Even if he pleads that he thought she was 17, he will still likely get prosecuted, and rightly so IMO.

Originally Posted by andyrich666

I never said that, show me where I said that, second time of asking !

I said I respect other countries cultures and beliefs.

You are a drama queen, in any of the posts I have spoken about I have in no way agreed with older men and younger child type girls, that does not mean that the age of consent cant be lowered for people of close ages.

The age of consent here in Spain was 13, its now 14, you used to be able to marry at 14 its now 16, I think that is about right, but I don't think it is right a older man is having sex with a child type girl, with consent or not, I think there should be a balance of how the consent is allowed, like in Germany

There is no international law or guidelines on the age of consent so you cant just say what you think is right and bugger everyone else.

You have twisted everything I have said to 40 and 60 yr olds, I have never said that is ok in my mind.

Sadly there are countries that will turn a blind eye to that, I also said that documentaries leading up to the world cup, rather than exposing underage sex, actually look like they are encouraging it. The girls in the films certainly are.

For the record this is my feelings to tell you, no one should ever feel under pressure to have sex, and whatever the age of consent does not automatically mean they should be having sex at that age.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

mate if you don't have a problem with 12 yearold girls getting screwed in Mexico then I would suggest you don't have a problem with it full stop, now that may well be wrong, but you implied it. You can respect a foreign countrys culture only so far

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

mate if you don't have a problem with 12 yearold girls getting screwed in Mexico then I would suggest you don't have a problem with it full stop, now that may well be wrong, but you implied it. You can respect a foreign countrys culture only so far


Anyways, it's time for me to piss off I reckon, but a couple of passing thoughts.

Paedophilia isn't pot smoking, 'loads of people do it' isn't a valid reason not to imprison them.

and also just to ask again as it was roundly ignored the first time

With every paedophile that has been released from prison, monitored, tracked or whatever, we are taking a gamble with the safety of a child, perhaps more than one, perhaps yours or mine. Now does anyone disagree with this?

With time some of you may realise I'm not an extremist at all, I just want my, and your kids to grow up free from abuse and tether, it's always them that pay the price for their safety, and I think that should be reversed

Originally Posted by andyrich666

Are you a ex copper ? They are the only people in the UK that refer to someone as 'mate' without knowing them,

Originally Posted by formula

That's not true: many people use the term "mate" in the UK. i.e. stranger hold a door open for you "thanks mate".

Originally Posted by paulry

Your views are not extreme, Steve - they're just different to a few people also posting on this thread.

It's good to see you're not allowing yourself to be bullied out of your opinions.