Rolf Harris
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The weakness in your plan, that 'almost' word, we're gambling with our kids safety every time we let one of these people free, that's a fact not an opinion. These bracelets are still reactionary. If it wasn't for very timely police intervention, Paedo Pete would've claimed my 11 y/o brother as one of his victims, and he never spoke of how far it actually went, he was lucky enough to be a resilient little bugger who bounced right back. now that wouldn't have come close to happening if there had been measures in place would it?
That's the problem, until they've offended we don't know who the paedophiles are, and you can't go accusing people just cos they're a bit odd, or look at kids funny. We have however got the control over convicted offenders should we choose to take it. We could dissect afew brains to see if they have some hormonal imbalance in common or something (but I doubt that'd go down at all well), but failing that reactive is all we have at the moment.
That's the problem, until they've offended we don't know who the paedophiles are, and you can't go accusing people just cos they're a bit odd, or look at kids funny. We have however got the control over convicted offenders should we choose to take it. We could dissect afew brains to see if they have some hormonal imbalance in common or something (but I doubt that'd go down at all well), but failing that reactive is all we have at the moment.
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The weakness in your plan, that 'almost' word, we're gambling with our kids safety every time we let one of these people free, that's a fact not an opinion. These bracelets are still reactionary. If it wasn't for very timely police intervention, Paedo Pete would've claimed my 11 y/o brother as one of his victims, and he never spoke of how far it actually went, he was lucky enough to be a resilient little bugger who bounced right back. now that wouldn't have come close to happening if there had been measures in place would it?
That's the problem, until they've offended we don't know who the paedophiles are, and you can't go accusing people just cos they're a bit odd, or look at kids funny. We have however got the control over convicted offenders should we choose to take it. We could dissect afew brains to see if they have some hormonal imbalance in common or something (but I doubt that'd go down at all well), but failing that reactive is all we have at the moment.
That's the problem, until they've offended we don't know who the paedophiles are, and you can't go accusing people just cos they're a bit odd, or look at kids funny. We have however got the control over convicted offenders should we choose to take it. We could dissect afew brains to see if they have some hormonal imbalance in common or something (but I doubt that'd go down at all well), but failing that reactive is all we have at the moment.
Dismissing wearable technology (and by that I mean sometjingn that can be worn by a child) would mean you accept these things will happen and we need to address it after the fact. Why not empower parents with technology that decreases the amount of offences?
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Firstly, I wasn't defending anyone who had child porn on their computer. It obviously creates a demand that fuels the availability of it. Very wrong and disgusting. Is it the same as actually abusing a child? No, it can't be.
I very strongly disagree with that, on so many levels you have no idea what you're talking about, these 'people' are equally culpable
Dismissing wearable technology (and by that I mean sometjingn that can be worn by a child) would mean you accept these things will happen and we need to address it after the fact. Why not empower parents with technology that decreases the amount of offences?
I very strongly disagree with that, on so many levels you have no idea what you're talking about, these 'people' are equally culpable
Dismissing wearable technology (and by that I mean sometjingn that can be worn by a child) would mean you accept these things will happen and we need to address it after the fact. Why not empower parents with technology that decreases the amount of offences?
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Ah right, bracelets or whatever worn by the kids, that's fine, that tells us where the kids are, but it denies them the civil liberties that you argue in favour of the paedos having, I'd say that's unbalanced. Anyhow, what would be the use of them unless they tell us if they're in the proximity of a paedophile? A paedophile that will only be tagged if he has a previous conviction. I would say it's you that should come up with a viable alternative, something that will guarantee zero repeat offenders.
The wearable technology in mind was to monitor location, perhaps upload images and maybe even audio. If it was common practice for kids to wear these things, the likelyhood of a child being abucted would descrease. I don't have a solution that eliminates child abuse but I think we could try and attack the problem at the prevention stage rather than accepting defeat.
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In theory it's possible, in practice I'm not sure. This paragraph leads me to think there's still way too much research to do before it's used on a regular basis for people being released from prison.
'But a reduced libido will not necessarily translate into reduced reoffending, and in the absence of double blind randomised trials the data remains inconclusive. Such trials would be difficult to conduct with sex offenders, not least because the side-effects of anti-androgens are so marked, making it obvious who'd received the drug as opposed to the placebo. Breast growth, hot flushes, heart problems and osteoporosis make anti-androgens, as Professor Grubin has said, "a pretty heavy-duty measure to prevent reoffending".' Especially if it doesn't stop them reoffending.
'But a reduced libido will not necessarily translate into reduced reoffending, and in the absence of double blind randomised trials the data remains inconclusive. Such trials would be difficult to conduct with sex offenders, not least because the side-effects of anti-androgens are so marked, making it obvious who'd received the drug as opposed to the placebo. Breast growth, hot flushes, heart problems and osteoporosis make anti-androgens, as Professor Grubin has said, "a pretty heavy-duty measure to prevent reoffending".' Especially if it doesn't stop them reoffending.
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I never claimed to know what I'm talking about on this matter. Happy to say I'm under educated on it. But I don't think you know a lot either. But let's not fight about it. It's all about opinion at the end of the day.
I know enough to realise that we have to put a stop to repeat offending, we need them out of the equation. I would be thrilled if there were a prevention measure that went hand in hand.
The wearable technology in mind was to monitor location, perhaps upload images and maybe even audio. If it was common practice for kids to wear these things, the likelyhood of a child being abucted would descrease. I don't have a solution that eliminates child abuse but I think we could try and attack the problem at the prevention stage rather than accepting defeat.
I know enough to realise that we have to put a stop to repeat offending, we need them out of the equation. I would be thrilled if there were a prevention measure that went hand in hand.
The wearable technology in mind was to monitor location, perhaps upload images and maybe even audio. If it was common practice for kids to wear these things, the likelyhood of a child being abucted would descrease. I don't have a solution that eliminates child abuse but I think we could try and attack the problem at the prevention stage rather than accepting defeat.
The second thought on my mind after 'Jesus Christ' is alway 'what if that were my child' it always will be, and it stirs up utter hatred inside me. If someone had got to my kids, I would gladly end his life, that's how I was brought up, and I flatly refuse to budge or apologise.
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I'm not admitting defeat, consider this, how many released offenders recruit like minded guys with no record to supply them with what they want? I don't know, but it would seem perfectly reasonable that these people would surround themselves with those not under suspicion, almost training the next batch for want of a better term. I do understand that some people don't feel the same animosity towards this scum, and my view isn't going to change that. The flip side of that coin is that less drastic view points will not be changing mine, and I refuse to accept any criticism for it, as do they
The second thought on my mind after 'Jesus Christ' is alway 'what if that were my child' it always will be, and it stirs up utter hatred inside me. If someone had got to my kids, I would gladly end his life, that's how I was brought up, and I flatly refuse to budge or apologise.
The second thought on my mind after 'Jesus Christ' is alway 'what if that were my child' it always will be, and it stirs up utter hatred inside me. If someone had got to my kids, I would gladly end his life, that's how I was brought up, and I flatly refuse to budge or apologise.
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Steve, you seem to have some deep seated issues about this, more than most people, which would seem to indicate that you have some personal experience with this in your family or close friends. If this is so your judgement will always be clouded and less rational than people with no personal experience. This may well be why your posts are coming over as very extreme and therefore endendering the reactions they are getting. I have thought about making this post for quite a while, but held off in case you decided that you would really leave the subject, however your posts are inflammatry to many people and making this thread into a Steve against the rest argument, and I fell it might be a good idea for you to back off and let the thread dies a natural death, of continue on topic. We all know your views now, and while we amy have some sympathy, the vast majority on here do not agree with your extreme ideas.
Punish/protect/ educate. Repeat.
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I'm not admitting defeat, consider this, how many released offenders recruit like minded guys with no record to supply them with what they want? I don't know, but it would seem perfectly reasonable that these people would surround themselves with those not under suspicion, almost training the next batch for want of a better term. I do understand that some people don't feel the same animosity towards this scum, and my view isn't going to change that. The flip side of that coin is that less drastic view points will not be changing mine, and I refuse to accept any criticism for it, as do they
The second thought on my mind after 'Jesus Christ' is alway 'what if that were my child' it always will be, and it stirs up utter hatred inside me. If someone had got to my kids, I would gladly end his life, that's how I was brought up, and I flatly refuse to budge or apologise.
The second thought on my mind after 'Jesus Christ' is alway 'what if that were my child' it always will be, and it stirs up utter hatred inside me. If someone had got to my kids, I would gladly end his life, that's how I was brought up, and I flatly refuse to budge or apologise.
In the case of Rolf, his crimes were committed decades ago, in a different time. As he didn't commit a crime against a minor in recent times, you could say he was rehabilitated. Of course he needs to pay for his crime, no doubt about it, but after he has done that do you think he will continue to be a danger to society? Unlikely based upon his age and his recent history. Not long term history. He'll probably die in prison anyway so we'll never get to find out.
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Steve, you seem to have some deep seated issues about this, more than most people, which would seem to indicate that you have some personal experience with this in your family or close friends. If this is so your judgement will always be clouded and less rational than people with no personal experience. This may well be why your posts are coming over as very extreme and therefore endendering the reactions they are getting. I have thought about making this post for quite a while, but held off in case you decided that you would really leave the subject, however your posts are inflammatry to many people and making this thread into a Steve against the rest argument, and I fell it might be a good idea for you to back off and let the thread dies a natural death, of continue on topic. We all know your views now, and while we amy have some sympathy, the vast majority on here do not agree with your extreme ideas.
I took a back seat but I have just watched it unfold how I thought it would, I did not want to feed the fire but it does not look now as though I even needed too.
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In the case of Rolf, his crimes were committed decades ago, in a different time. As he didn't commit a crime against a minor in recent times, you could say he was rehabilitated. Of course he needs to pay for his crime, no doubt about it, but after he has done that do you think he will continue to be a danger to society? Unlikely based upon his age and his recent history. Not long term history. He'll probably die in prison anyway so we'll never get to find out.
In defence of this and the ' it happened at the time' if you go back to my video of that TV show with the man kissing children and stuff you will see that it was the way it was then.