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ozhappy981 May 24th 2009 7:37 pm

Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
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The first wall is going up on our house. On the outside the mortar joints look "normal", i.e. the mortar appears evenly spread along/between the bricks. But on the inside there are "gaps" in the mortar.

Knowing nothing about bricklaying, other than how it "looks": could someone please tell me whether the "gaps" are o.k. or whether I should raise this with our SS.

Edit: It's going to be a double-brick wall, i.e. later they will build another brick wall on the inside.

Thanks

Dorothy May 24th 2009 11:38 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
That's not too bad. You should take a look for the thread I started a month or two ago about the same thing. One of our walls fell down shortly after the brickie left the site!

Who's your builder and where's your property? We're building with Celebration in Butler.

varsanik May 24th 2009 11:52 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by ozhappy981 (Post 7601378)
The first wall is going up on our house. On the outside the mortar joints look "normal", i.e. the mortar appears evenly spread along/between the bricks. But on the inside there are "gaps" in the mortar.

Knowing nothing about bricklaying, other than how it "looks": could someone please tell me whether the "gaps" are o.k. or whether I should raise this with our SS.

Edit: It's going to be a double-brick wall, i.e. later they will build another brick wall on the inside.

Thanks

Im a construction manager and in my opinion, the brickwork is not upto the standard I would expect on one of my sites. However, I must say I have seen worse.

With regards to your concerns of the mortar gaps on the inside, the beds and perps (ends of the bricks) look reasonably full of mortar, therefore structurally sound. They will eventually be hidden within the cavity of the wall, hence, the aesthetics on this face is not important.

The Joints on the outside of the brickwork look reasonably unfinished, I am assuming (hoping) this photo was taken before the bricklayer completed the pointing.

I would always recommend all people ask for a 1 sq meter sample panel of brickwork, prior to awarding the work to contractors or see and previous works.

ozhappy981 May 25th 2009 12:09 am

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
Thank you, Varsanik. That's been really helpful. The brickie isn't our contractor. We are building with APG, a project builder, and they are in charge of hiring and firing.

I've included the photos (plus another one) in an email for our SS and will see what he says and does.

At least, with your reply, I now know that it shouldn't look like that. Thanks again (karma sent :) )

ozhappy981 May 25th 2009 12:10 am

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 7601865)
That's not too bad. You should take a look for the thread I started a month or two ago about the same thing. One of our walls fell down shortly after the brickie left the site!

Who's your builder and where's your property? We're building with Celebration in Butler.

I'll search for that thread. We are building with APG in Iluka.

perksy May 25th 2009 3:01 am

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
Jesus Christ, that work looks shite. :eek:

The worst guy on my brickie course makes a better job than that

Toe Dipper May 25th 2009 6:21 am

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
As a house builder, I would get the brickwork taken down and rebuilt at their cost. You pay for a good job, not just in areas where you see it. Start being hard and you can ease up. If they get away with crap work now, it will only get worse

TD

Dorothy May 25th 2009 11:50 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by ozhappy981 (Post 7601961)
I'll search for that thread. We are building with APG in Iluka.

APG and Celebration are both part of the Alcock Group of companies. It wouldn't surprise me if it's the same lazy ass brickie we had.

ozhappy981 May 26th 2009 1:18 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 7605186)
APG and Celebration are both part of the Alcock Group of companies. It wouldn't surprise me if it's the same lazy ass brickie we had.

A bit tubby with wavy/slightly curly dark brown hair?

APG said they'd get back to me today. Waiting to hear what they say.

BOP May 26th 2009 1:23 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by varsanik (Post 7601903)
Im a construction manager and in my opinion, the brickwork is not upto the standard I would expect on one of my sites. However, I must say I have seen worse.

With regards to your concerns of the mortar gaps on the inside, the beds and perps (ends of the bricks) look reasonably full of mortar, therefore structurally sound. They will eventually be hidden within the cavity of the wall, hence, the aesthetics on this face is not important.

The Joints on the outside of the brickwork look reasonably unfinished, I am assuming (hoping) this photo was taken before the bricklayer completed the pointing.

I would always recommend all people ask for a 1 sq meter sample panel of brickwork, prior to awarding the work to contractors or see and previous works.

Looks like they have lost the bond aswell, take another look.

ozhappy981 May 26th 2009 1:31 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by BOP (Post 7607366)
Looks like they have lost the bond aswell, take another look.

BOP, could you please explain to me what that means? Is that on the photo of the inside or the outside? What is the "bond"? What should it look like?

Thanks

BOP May 26th 2009 4:00 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
The bond is the pattern in which the bricks are set.
ie: 1 brick should be set halfway along the top of the the brick below. This forms the structural integrity of the wall.

ozhappy981 May 26th 2009 4:45 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 

Originally Posted by BOP (Post 7607658)
The bond is the pattern in which the bricks are set.
ie: 1 brick should be set halfway along the top of the the brick below. This forms the structural integrity of the wall.

Thanks, BOP. Karma sent!

geary11 Aug 30th 2009 11:22 pm

Re: Question for brickies: How much mortar?
 
they call it quater bond.. still solidly sound........lokks like a internal so will be redered. so you have no worries there.. ps could of roll jointed it thou ,its just cosmetic.

A bricky


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