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Old Sep 6th 2012, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80 View Post
I believe that's techincally correct but for such an old conviction he should be fine. I've been to the US, both visiting and transit, several times with old convictions without declaring anything and nothings happened.
It won't be fine if its not declared and they find out. Unless they are able to link your finger prints to worldwide databases instantly as you proceed through immigration then the chances of being turned around are pretty slim. Never been a problem with my old arrest record.
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Originally Posted by bcworld View Post
So it likely means anyone flying from anywhere other than MEL or SYD will travel on either all EK flights or a mix of QF/EK. I know a certain witch who won't like that!
Too freaking right Looks like I'll be flying Singapore Airlines in future.
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 View Post
Having been a regular reader of the US boards, it's not something I'd do.
Likewise.
Especially looking at some of the hassles people have had when they have "forgotten to declare an old arrest or conviction and thyen years later they get a job offer there or need a visa for another reason and it comes to light. They aren't as forgiving as DIAC.
A few other issues to be borne in mind too - if you have to apply for a B2 instead of using the VWP because of convictions it can take 6 months or more to come through - not a last minute thing. And if they do refuse you entry then you almost certainly cannot use the VWP ever again, you have to have a visa every time. Almost makes a night in Dubai being hassled by Arabs look preferable.......
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Hope this does not affect my premium economy seat singers to london mid november. I pick a certain flight/seat
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Originally Posted by jad n rich View Post
Hope this does not affect my premium economy seat singers to london mid november. I pick a certain flight/seat
Its not supposed to have any effect until after April. I shall be equally miffed if I end up having to cancel October and rebook with another airline
Howevr as their website has already downgraded to a naff one reminiscent of something Hardly Normal would produce so I wouldn't hold your breath



Edited to add - definitely don't hold your breath - the flight I did to Venice from Gatwick last April is now showing in my profile as a booking awaiting payment for this November coming, Emirats are obviously just as efficient now as in 2000 when they refused me a beer cos the Arab next to me didn't want me to have one

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Old Sep 6th 2012, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by jad n rich View Post
Hope this does not affect my premium economy seat singers to london mid november. I pick a certain flight/seat
As I said up thread, it isn't coming in till April 2013 - and that's if they get the regulators OK.
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Old Sep 6th 2012, 10:36 am
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Wonder what it will do to SIA prices? I know it's a bit early yet but I was looking at return trip to LHR from MEL and it was over $6k for the two of us . I want to do a few stop offs and so far pricing up one ways between ports of call is about $1k cheaper!!!

Much prefer SIA to QF or EK. QF doesn't have foot rests, which is not good for short legged people and EK, I find their service a bit hit and miss usually getting fed just as the plane is about to land!

We did Jetstar return to for our Malaysian holiday just gone (then MAS and Air Asia) and apart from no foot rest Jetstar was far more comfortable than QF! The only downside is that we paid for the upgrade package to include food, seat choice and air miles but think we were cheated a bit on the food and drink.
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Originally Posted by Pollyana View Post
Almost makes a night in Dubai being hassled by Arabs look preferable.......
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Old Sep 6th 2012, 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by bcworld View Post
So you were arrested for football hooliganism?
Doesn't stop you transiting but you will not be eligible for a visa waiver - therefore you need to apply for a visa in advance.
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I believe it does. You still need to apply for VWP for transit and the little question is there. "have you ever been arrested or convicted ........". If the answer is yes then it's off to the embassy for a few questions before a visa is granted. Of course you can just overlook the little Selhurst incident from the 70's
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No, you aren't eligible to use the VWP if you've ever been arrested - you apply for an actual visa in advance - and if that's granted you can transit (or visit).
Please stop spreading nonsense. The question on ESTA is "Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?" Getting kicked out of the single worst :P football ground in England is none of those things, although strictly speaking supporting Crystal Palace is the sign of a degenerate mind.

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Almost makes a night in Dubai being hassled by Arabs look preferable.......
Rah rah rah rah it's teh Arabs, it's teh Muslims, it's teh Arabs. Pitchfork-waving toss.

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Old Sep 6th 2012, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by Pollyana View Post
Likewise.
Especially looking at some of the hassles people have had when they have "forgotten to declare an old arrest or conviction and thyen years later they get a job offer there or need a visa for another reason and it comes to light. They aren't as forgiving as DIAC.
A few other issues to be borne in mind too - if you have to apply for a B2 instead of using the VWP because of convictions it can take 6 months or more to come through - not a last minute thing. And if they do refuse you entry then you almost certainly cannot use the VWP ever again, you have to have a visa every time. Almost makes a night in Dubai being hassled by Arabs look preferable.......
Yep

A real hassle if you've been saying 'No' all these years and a US job comes your way. Drug arrests and convictions are an instant no no. So if you got caught at a rock concert with a joint 20 years ago you're screwed. I saw the sniffer dog get no less than 5 people in the space of 10 minutes at the BDO last year. What I don't get is that it applies to just arrests too. It means some junior copper can mistakenly put you in a set of cuffs, then its off to the US embassy for a B2.
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar View Post
Please stop spreading nonsense. The question on ESTA is "Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?" Getting kicked out of the single worst :P football ground in England is none of those things, although strictly speaking supporting Crystal Palace is the sign of a degenerate mind.


Rah rah rah rah it's teh Arabs, it's teh Muslims, it's teh Arabs. Pitchfork-waving toss.
... And if your phone the embassy to find out what moral turpitude is they take your name and tell you to come in for a B2. Try it.
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar View Post
Please stop spreading nonsense. The question on ESTA is "Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?"
http://london.usembassy.gov/add_req.html

Travelers with arrests/conviction(s)

Under United States visa law people who have been arrested at anytime are not eligible to travel visa free under the Visa Waiver Program(VWP); they are required to apply for visas before traveling. If the arrest resulted in a conviction, the individual may require a special restricted visa in order to travel. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to United States visa law. Therefore, even travelers with a spent conviction are not eligible to travel visa free; they must apply for B-1 or B-2 visas. If they attempt to travel under the VWP, they may be refused entry into the United States.


Am I missing something?
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are you seeking entry to engage in immoral activities?
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http://london.usembassy.gov/add_req.html

Travelers with arrests/conviction(s)

Under United States visa law people who have been arrested at anytime are not eligible to travel visa free under the Visa Waiver Program(VWP); they are required to apply for visas before traveling. If the arrest resulted in a conviction, the individual may require a special restricted visa in order to travel. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to United States visa law. Therefore, even travelers with a spent conviction are not eligible to travel visa free; they must apply for B-1 or B-2 visas. If they attempt to travel under the VWP, they may be refused entry into the United States.


Am I missing something?
Yeah. Try and find the same thing on the US Embassy website in Australia.
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Originally Posted by Beoz View Post
Yeah. Try and find the same thing on the US Embassy website in Australia.
http://canberra.usembassy.gov/visa_waiver_prog.html

The more information link gives you:

If you have been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal conviction, have a criminal record, have certain serious communicable illnesses, have been refused admission into, or have been deported from, the United States, or have previously overstayed on the VWP, you may not be eligible for VWP travel and should not attempt to travel without a visa.

Slightly less clear cut, but still visa in advance essentially required.

Of course it also says try ESTA first.
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