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redlion Sep 12th 2006 5:03 am

Punctuation mark
 
Anyone got any idea what this following punctuation mark is called? Im sure its not just a colon.

:-


Ta very much.

Nev.

Clippy Sep 12th 2006 5:17 am

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by redlion
Anyone got any idea what this following punctuation mark is called? Im sure its not just a colon.

:-


Ta very much.

Nev.

Well I'm not 100% on this but I think that is two punctuation marks: it would be a colon and a hyphen - I don't think together they are actually gramatically correct, although frequently used, if that makes sense.

Vash the Stampede Sep 12th 2006 8:10 am

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by redlion
Anyone got any idea what this following punctuation mark is called? Im sure its not just a colon.

:-


Ta very much.

Nev.

Clippies is correct. :)

DebraH Sep 12th 2006 8:12 am

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is it supposed to represent some face or something :o
not sure what though :D

Clippy Sep 12th 2006 8:20 am

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Clippies is correct. :)

Ah that's good then :)

See my midlands education wasn't so bad :D

Vash the Stampede Sep 12th 2006 8:28 am

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Originally Posted by Clippies
Ah that's good then :)

See my midlands education wasn't so bad :D

Awroit, chick! :p

matt-and-jenny Sep 12th 2006 10:15 am

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Clippies
Well I'm not 100% on this but I think that is two punctuation marks: it would be a colon and a hyphen - I don't think together they are actually gramatically correct, although frequently used, if that makes sense.

Yep, that's right :)
j

Big Galah Sep 12th 2006 4:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Clippies
Well I'm not 100% on this but I think that is two punctuation marks: it would be a colon and a hyphen - I don't think together they are actually gramatically correct, although frequently used, if that makes sense.

And a hyphen shouldn't be used when you mean to use em-dashes or en-dashes—if you know what I mean.

Experiment (this may not work on all keyboards):

Press the "minus" key. That's a hyphen. Twentieth-century.

Hold ALT and press 0150 on the number keypad. That's an en-dash. Pages 1–10.

Hold ALT and press 0151 on the number keypad. That's an em-dash—for what it's worth. This used to be represented by two hypens. Try it in Microsoft word (no spaces between words). Depending on your settings you may see it gets changed.

They're all different lengths and never have spaces before or after them.

An en-dash is the width of the letter "N" and is traditionally the width of a typesetter's letter "N". An em-dash the width of the letter "M".

The :- does not mean anything as far as punctuation is concerned—you use one or the other. It's more of an emoticon.

Sorry :zzz:

Vash the Stampede Sep 12th 2006 4:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Big Galah
And a hyphen shouldn't be used when you mean to use em-dashes or en-dashes—if you know what I mean.

Experiment (this may not work on all keyboards):

Press the "minus" key. That's a hyphen. Twentieth-century.

Hold ALT and press 0150 on the number keypad. That's an en-dash. Pages 1–10.

Hold ALT and press 0151 on the number keypad. That's an em-dash—for what it's worth. This used to be represented by two hypens. Try it in Microsoft word (no spaces between words). Depending on your settings you may see it gets changed.

They're all different lengths and never have spaces before or after them.

An en-dash is the width of the letter "N" and is traditionally the width of a typesetter's letter "N". An em-dash the width of the letter "M".

The :- does not mean anything as far as punctuation is concerned—you use one or the other. It's more of an emoticon.

Sorry :zzz:

Nice one. :)

matt-and-jenny Sep 12th 2006 4:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Big Galah
And a hyphen shouldn't be used when you mean to use em-dashes or en-dashes—if you know what I mean.

Experiment (this may not work on all keyboards):

Press the "minus" key. That's a hyphen. Twentieth-century.

Hold ALT and press 0150 on the number keypad. That's an en-dash. Pages 1–10.

Hold ALT and press 0151 on the number keypad. That's an em-dash—for what it's worth. This used to be represented by two hypens. Try it in Microsoft word (no spaces between words). Depending on your settings you may see it gets changed.

They're all different lengths and never have spaces before or after them.

An en-dash is the width of the letter "N" and is traditionally the width of a typesetter's letter "N". An em-dash the width of the letter "M".

The :- does not mean anything as far as punctuation is concerned—you use one or the other. It's more of an emoticon.

Sorry :zzz:

All originating from the old moveable lead type used on Guttenberg's presses. :D :zzz:

Sally Sep 12th 2006 5:09 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 
I was taught it is correct to use :- before a list.

Elvira Sep 12th 2006 5:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Sallyanne
I was taught it is correct to use :- before a list.


God bless them teachers! :p

moneypenny20 Sep 12th 2006 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Sallyanne
I was taught it is correct to use :- before a list.

Not to worry, you seem to have survived so far ;)

worzel Sep 12th 2006 5:28 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Sallyanne
I was taught it is correct to use :- before a list.

I read in the back of a dictionary that you should use a colon before a list then semicolon to separate the listed items with "and" before the last one. Eg

Sports I like:
Football;
Cricket;
AFL; and
Rugby League.

moneypenny20 Sep 12th 2006 5:30 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by worzel
I read in the back of a dictionary that you should use a colon before a list then semicolon to separate the listed items with "and" before the last one. Eg

Sports I like:
Football;
Cricket;
AFL; and
Rugby League.

I hope you weren't taught to say "Sports I like" though :D

Sally Sep 12th 2006 5:33 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by worzel
I read in the back of a dictionary that you should use a colon before a list then semicolon to separate the listed items with "and" before the last one. Eg

Sports I like:
Football;
Cricket;
AFL; and
Rugby League.

I don't think there should be one after AFL

worzel Sep 12th 2006 5:41 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Sallyanne
I don't think there should be one after AFL

Here is an example from the first page I googled:

"Star Trek, created by Gene Roddenberry; Babylon 5, by JMS; Buffy, by Joss Whedon; and Farscape, from the Henson Company."

...which has one before the "and" :)

Source: http://www.correctpunctuation.co.uk/...tion-colon.htm

Sally Sep 12th 2006 5:44 pm

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Originally Posted by worzel
Here is an example from the first page I googled:

"Star Trek, created by Gene Roddenberry; Babylon 5, by JMS; Buffy, by Joss Whedon; and Farscape, from the Henson Company."

...which has one before the "and" :)

Source: http://www.correctpunctuation.co.uk/...tion-colon.htm

OK

I did go to school a long time ago.

Clippy Sep 12th 2006 6:30 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Big Galah
And a hyphen shouldn't be used when you mean to use em-dashes or en-dashes—if you know what I mean.

Experiment (this may not work on all keyboards):

Press the "minus" key. That's a hyphen. Twentieth-century.

Hold ALT and press 0150 on the number keypad. That's an en-dash. Pages 1–10.

Hold ALT and press 0151 on the number keypad. That's an em-dash—for what it's worth. This used to be represented by two hypens. Try it in Microsoft word (no spaces between words). Depending on your settings you may see it gets changed.

They're all different lengths and never have spaces before or after them.

An en-dash is the width of the letter "N" and is traditionally the width of a typesetter's letter "N". An em-dash the width of the letter "M".

The :- does not mean anything as far as punctuation is concerned—you use one or the other. It's more of an emoticon.

Sorry :zzz:

I am aware that I incorrectly use this - but I like it :D

Clippy Sep 12th 2006 6:33 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Sallyanne
I was taught it is correct to use :- before a list.

I was taught that when I did my RSA typing :)

I still don't think it's an actual punctuation mark, just something that has been made up if that makes sense. I used to work in a stockbrokers and some of the words they used to make up were just :confused:

Ozzidoc Sep 12th 2006 6:37 pm

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And how about starting sentences with "and"?

The experts say that it's acceptable, and that teachers were misinformed. Apparantly "and" has been at the start of a sentence for eons....even Shakespeare (sp?) did this.

(This info either from UK's Radio 4 recently or from the "A way with words" podcast, produced by NPR in the USA.....can't remember which.)

Elvira Sep 12th 2006 6:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
And how about starting sentences with "and"?

The experts say that it's acceptable, and that teachers were misinformed. Apparantly "and" has been at the start of a sentence for eons....even Shakespeare (sp?) did this.

(This info either from UK's Radio 4 recently or from the "A way with words" podcast, produced by NPR in the USA.....can't remember which.)


Shakespeare's spelling was cr4p... :D

Guy couldn't even spell his own name!

Ozzidoc Sep 12th 2006 6:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Elvira
Shakespeare's spelling was cr4p... :D

Guy couldn't even spell his own name!


True! :D

moneypenny20 Sep 12th 2006 6:48 pm

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Starting a sentence with "And" or "But" can never be right :mad: And I swear a divorce from both hubby and my daughters is on the cards if they continue to say "was" instead of "were" :rolleyes:

Ozzidoc Sep 12th 2006 6:51 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypen20
Starting a sentence with "And" or "But" can never be right :mad: And I swear a divorce from both hubby and my daughters is on the cards if they continue to say "was" instead of "were" :rolleyes:


Agree with were/was....and also is/are eg the "company IS" is the correct expression, cos it is a single entity. :)

Glenat Sep 12th 2006 8:38 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by Big Galah
And a hyphen shouldn't be used when you mean to use em-dashes or en-dashes—if you know what I mean.

Experiment (this may not work on all keyboards):

Press the "minus" key. That's a hyphen. Twentieth-century.

Hold ALT and press 0150 on the number keypad. That's an en-dash. Pages 1–10.

Hold ALT and press 0151 on the number keypad. That's an em-dash—for what it's worth. This used to be represented by two hypens. Try it in Microsoft word (no spaces between words). Depending on your settings you may see it gets changed.

They're all different lengths and never have spaces before or after them.

An en-dash is the width of the letter "N" and is traditionally the width of a typesetter's letter "N". An em-dash the width of the letter "M".

The :- does not mean anything as far as punctuation is concerned—you use one or the other. It's more of an emoticon.

Sorry :zzz:

Why not just use the Control key and the minus sign? Then you can have any length dash you want (when in MS Word).

=^.^=

Britishaussie Sep 12th 2006 8:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Clippies
I was taught that when I did my RSA typing :)

I still don't think it's an actual punctuation mark, just something that has been made up if that makes sense. I used to work in a stockbrokers and some of the words they used to make up were just :confused:

At last! A bunch of people after my own heart. I hate seeing incorrect punctuation, or worse still, no punctuation at all and no capital letters (some posts on this forum are very difficult to read due to lack of punctuation). I'm not perfect either but I did RSA typing and RSA III English Language which stood me in good stead.

Does anyone know anything about the hype about splitting infinitives? At one time it was considered bad English (e.g. "to now say"; "to not go", etc). I did hear that these days it is considered OK to do this, though to me it sounds awkward.

Have I punctuated this post correctly?

Clippy Sep 12th 2006 9:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Britishaussie
At last! A bunch of people after my own heart. I hate seeing incorrect punctuation, or worse still, no punctuation at all and no capital letters (some posts on this forum are very difficult to read due to lack of punctuation). I'm not perfect either but I did RSA typing and RSA III English Language which stood me in good stead.

Does anyone know anything about the hype about splitting infinitives? At one time it was considered bad English (e.g. "to now say"; "to not go", etc). I did hear that these days it is considered OK to do this, though to me it sounds awkward.

Have I punctuated this post correctly?

Lol, personally I would move the comma: I hate seeing incorrect punctuation or, worse still, no punctuation at all.

:D

worzel Sep 12th 2006 11:04 pm

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Another common mistake is to say " would of" instead of "would have". Presumably because people hear would have said as would've which sounds like "would of"?

Borrow mixed with lend (Should be to lend something to someone else, borrow from someone). I remember my games teacher being asked by a classmate who had forgotten their t-shirt if they could "lend a t-shirt" looking confused when the teacher asked who they wanted to lend it to.

Immigrate (to enter a country) when you mean emigrate (to leave) is a common one on here

I seem to remember a very long thread on this sort of thing a few months back.

Glenat Sep 12th 2006 11:12 pm

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by worzel
Another common mistake is to say " would of" instead of "would have". Presumably because people hear would have said as would've which sounds like "would of"?

Borrow mixed with lend (Should be to lend something to someone else, borrow from someone). I remember my games teacher being asked by a classmate who had forgotten their t-shirt if they could "lend a t-shirt" looking confused when the teacher asked who they wanted to lend it to.

Immigrate (to enter a country) when you mean emigrate (to leave) is a common one on here

I seem to remember a very long thread on this sort of thing a few months back.

ooooh, I hate it when people say "borrow me a pen" :mad:

maybe it's a brummie thing :D

Clippy Sep 12th 2006 11:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Glenat
ooooh, I hate it when people say "borrow me a pen" :mad:

maybe it's a brummie thing :D

I hate it too! It may be a brummie thing actually as Dale used to say it until I drummed it out of him!

katsmajic Sep 13th 2006 1:24 am

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It's a chavie thing, walking round town listening to different people talking is so frustrating...if they are English then they just cant speak English properly! isnt it becomes 'ennit' can i have becomes 'gimme dat'
And everyone else is Polish! Our new Polish bus drivers talk 'chavie' english..its really annoying!
The english taught at school isnt much better either, my 15yr old tries talking in chavie, lasts about 2 seconds...but we've noticed some of his written work slumps into chavie/text language and it is not corrected!

Originally Posted by Clippies
I hate it too! It may be a brummie thing actually as Dale used to say it until I drummed it out of him!


Jensen Healey Sep 13th 2006 1:58 am

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by worzel
Borrow mixed with lend (Should be to lend something to someone else, borrow from someone). I remember my games teacher being asked by a classmate who had forgotten their t-shirt if they could "lend a t-shirt" looking confused when the teacher asked who they wanted to lend it to.

I'm sure you meant to write "to whom they wanted to lend it"! :D

I have to admit "would of"; "could of" etc., is one of my pet hates. ("are two" of my pet hates???)

Glenat Sep 13th 2006 2:25 am

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Originally Posted by Jensen Healey
I'm sure you meant to write "to whom they wanted to lend it"! :D

I have to admit "would of"; "could of" etc., is one of my pet hates. ("are two" of my pet hates???)

And while I'm thinking about it, I hate it when people use the wrong too/to and you're/your.

Your drinking to much :beer: :scared: Ahhhhh!

Jensen Healey Sep 13th 2006 2:28 am

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Originally Posted by Glenat
And while I'm thinking about it, I have it when people use the wrong too/to and you're/your.

Your drinking to much :beer: :scared: Ahhhhh!

Where/were... the list is endless!

The Genie Sep 13th 2006 3:06 am

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Originally Posted by Glenat
ooooh, I hate it when people say "borrow me a pen" :mad:

maybe it's a brummie thing :D

I guess it's slightly off the punctuation theme, but I hate two expressions: in terms of; and you know what I mean

Vash the Stampede Sep 13th 2006 5:09 am

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Originally Posted by Britishaussie
At last! A bunch of people after my own heart. I hate seeing incorrect punctuation, or worse still, no punctuation at all and no capital letters (some posts on this forum are very difficult to read due to lack of punctuation). I'm not perfect either but I did RSA typing and RSA III English Language which stood me in good stead.

Amen! :)

Vash the Stampede Sep 13th 2006 5:10 am

Re: Punctuation mark
 

Originally Posted by worzel
Another common mistake is to say " would of" instead of "would have". Presumably because people hear would have said as would've which sounds like "would of"?

Borrow mixed with lend (Should be to lend something to someone else, borrow from someone). I remember my games teacher being asked by a classmate who had forgotten their t-shirt if they could "lend a t-shirt" looking confused when the teacher asked who they wanted to lend it to.

Immigrate (to enter a country) when you mean emigrate (to leave) is a common one on here

I seem to remember a very long thread on this sort of thing a few months back.

Good onya Worzel, I feel exactly the same way. :)

Another howler is people who say "barter" when they actually mean "haggle." :rolleyes:


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