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Old Mar 25th 2014, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by knockoff nige
How exactly are they the 'Thought Police'? You are allowed to think what you like. I think you're being a little ignorant to the issue here as this isn't about restricting your thoughts or even your right to express your opinion. If your opinion is that a person/group/race are a bunch of whatever, why do you need the right to express that and offend? Do you defend racist verbal abuse? This government seems to. Should Sport associations give up trying to protect athletes from attacks from fans and other athletes?

Should people who have actually been verbally abused be totally ok with it and not have a means of standing up for themselves without throwing back an insult?
We come back to a line, though Nigel.
Where is the line : it seems someone is now drawing a line - Zulu our straight-talking friend has made it clear that it is possible to cross that line and I am sure that he would not condone racism. He takes a dim view of the way Islam can create a fervent radical person - that is clear. Whilst everyone has prejudices, I am sure that no reasonable person would want to be racist. See - there is a line between prejudice and racism. When a bunch of blokes get on the train at night I am inclined by my understanding of form and social demographics to be somewhat prejudiced unfortunately but I would not consider myself to be racist.

In my view, your average Joe is entitled to be shielded from abuse - and essentially assault because we lived in a civilised society.

Debate is always ok. This new thing seems interesting because it looks like perhaps you are allowed to debate prejudice and issues and even have negative views but you can't assault someone (verbally). It's all in the delivery it would appear.
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Old Mar 25th 2014, 11:03 am
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But there is already a line. You are allowed to have your views and share/debate them. The current law protects people form being abused by your views.

If you need to divided up even further, then you are classifying what abuse is acceptable and what isn't. How does a privileged government decide what is acceptable and what isn't in the best interests of the Australian people? I don't believe they are thinking about your free speech but rather the sensationalist media who got them into power. The media, ie Andrew Bolt, are the ones kicking up about it. This looks to me like the government are protecting the support they get from them.
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Political correctness is the bane of our future. It causes more harm than good.
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Old Mar 25th 2014, 9:31 pm
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Default Re: Protection for the ignorant

Originally Posted by knockoff nige
But there is already a line. You are allowed to have your views and share/debate them. The current law protects people form being abused by your views.

If you need to divided up even further, then you are classifying what abuse is acceptable and what isn't. How does a privileged government decide what is acceptable and what isn't in the best interests of the Australian people?
So what's the issue?
The laws we have arising out of Common law (and even out of common decency and good sense) and most of our systems in place does a good job.
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Originally Posted by Molly Coddle
Political correctness is the bane of our future. It causes more harm than good.
Day to day - political correctness doesn't mean a great deal to me nor does it effect me : I suppose the weak-willed and meek might draw some comfort from it and it might even create employment for people that might otherwise be unemployable ! I am talking about social workers now - not the truly marginalised!
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
So what's the issue?
The laws we have arising out of Common law (and even out of common decency and good sense) and most of our systems in place does a good job.
What's the issue? The government are standing up for the biggots and their biggot mates in the media and want to change the law that no-one seems to be complaining about or being prosecuted incorrectly from. That's the issue as I see it. Why not leave it alone? It's becoming quite clear that they want to send Australia back to the good old days as they saw it. Protecting your right to be a biggot is not progress, neither is reintroducing Knights and Dames of Australia for that matter.
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Originally Posted by knockoff nige
I don't believe they are thinking about your free speech but rather the sensationalist media who got them into power. The media, ie Andrew Bolt, are the ones kicking up about it. This looks to me like the government are protecting the support they get from them.
I think that is pretty much the crux of it. This has been driven almost wholly by that nasty, sniveling little piece of shit Bolt.
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I agree with what this dude has to say:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/2...obel-laureate/

Freedom of speech should mean just that - even if you offend
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
I agree with what this dude has to say:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/2...obel-laureate/

Freedom of speech should mean just that - even if you offend
You have freedom of speech. You shouldn't have the right to racially abuse someone, even if there is no intimidation. You do have the right to be a biggot, but the current law protects others from your ignorance.

I'm not surprised that you referenced that article. It's wrong. As I said, you can speak about and share your views, that is currently protected. What the AG is fighting for is, essentially the right to be racist at a football match. I can't see where anyone other than media and the ignorant benefit from this.
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
I agree with what this dude has to say:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/2...obel-laureate/

Freedom of speech should mean just that - even if you offend
It's great to see common sense and freedom of expression at last getting the upper hand over the PC brigade.
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Originally Posted by paulry
It's great to see common sense and freedom of expression at last getting the upper hand over the PC brigade.
Indeed, and it's good to see our government stand up for free speech for everybody

Our socialist elite hate free speech - hence the outcry

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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Our socialist elite hate free speech - hence the outcry
Right wing nutters aren't too happy about it either when it suits

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Originally Posted by Grayling
Right wing nutters aren't too happy about it either when it suits
Yep, you're not happy
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Yep, you're not happy
Thatcher loved free speech didn't she
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....and so does Abbott....unless it concerns 'boat people' of course
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