Originally Posted by rajj

Well, left wing, pinko, champ socialist soft views that you would percieive my views to be... there are many long term strategies including the non reliance on fossil fuel, to stop the colonial mindset of interfering in other countries business and redrawing maps to fatten your on kids and retain influence,(almost white supramacist attitute that you fought for in Angola and Namibia), stop creating nutters like Osama, Taliban, ISIS, ISI etc etc (accidently or by design), stop overthrowing democracies if you don't like their left wing views. Prosecute all war criminals ..inc Bush Blair Howard. Stop humiliating muslims in Palastine, stop taking their water, their land, stop killing their mothers and bombing the crap out of communities and destroying their infrastructure to keep them weak, stop killing hundreds of thousands or millions and weeping uncontrollably when 2300 get killed in NY. Not give support to our troops in obviously illegal wars like Iraq!!!
Stop unconditional support for Saudi, Qatar and others
Ironically right wing nutters cause the problem (by going into iraq for example) and left wingers are asked to come up with ideas to fix it!

To tell you the truth, the above is just a scatter gun of thoughts and I dont have any solutions ...I've given up as right wing tossers have been calling the shots for nearly 20 years plus and there is no end in sight to the madness of kill kill kill (your side won and control everything)!

Today I am French.

Originally Posted by rajj

My real name is Joseph Smith and i'm from Dundee
rajj is just a red herring!

Originally Posted by Beoz

One for the Tony haters. 28 Oct 2015.

“We are rediscovering the hard way that justice tempered by mercy is an exacting ideal, as too much mercy for some necessarily undermines justice for all.”

Abbott said: “No country or continent can open its borders to all comers without fundamentally weakening itself. This is the risk that the countries of Europe now run through misguided altruism.”

He also urged European governments to be vigilant with home-grown terrorism.

“Of course you can’t arrest your way to social harmony but home grown terrorism does need a strong response,” Abbott said.

“Of course the overwhelming majority of Muslims don’t support terrorism but many still think that death should be the punishment for apostasy”.

Originally Posted by GarryP

you can't arrest your way to social harmony

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

You can't appease your way to it either

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

You can't appease your way to it either

Originally Posted by Amazulu

And we need a bit of arresting going on right now!

Originally Posted by GarryP

You can see why they threw him out of the catholic seminary, can't you?

The problem is he can't see that you can't arrest your way to social harmony, he actually thinks you can. And he doesn't really understand the shape of the problem.

Mind, I think a good part of the reason for that is he won't accept that religion is a major part of the problem. It leads to dissonance in his thinking - power focused, border focused, yet claiming to be devout even as he ignores whole swathes of doctrine.

If he were at all evidence focused, he'd have realised that main force is only ever making this worse, and that closing your eyes to what happens to other people in other countries makes it worse.

Originally Posted by GarryP

Nope, you can't.

But the point is to NOT do what they wanted. Not to attack blindly. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.

You have to concentrate on killing the idea, not people. Sure I think ISIS should get flattened, indeed should have been flattened years back. But that won't kill the idea around the world.

Originally Posted by Beoz

I think you know Tony got this one right .... as much as you don't like him, credit where credit is due, as much as it would hurt you so much to do so.

Originally Posted by Beoz

It can't be killed. The only way to stop its intrusion is to divide by building walls. Walls aren't pretty and no one wants them but they work.

And when time heals whatever issues they have, you can tear down the walls and move on.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

After reading this I reckon I'm a Zionist

I've always had an affinity for Israel and the Jewish people

Israel - now there's a country that doesn't take any shit from radical islam. If Netanyahu was running France, ISIS would be shitting themselves today

Originally Posted by GarryP

The problem with that is there are 1.6bn muslims, half a million of them in Australia, and 202 million of them just to the north of Australia. And, oh yes, they have the oil.

So how exactly are you going to build that wall?

A major part of the reason we have the problem now is because we decided we wouldn't deal with Syria then. We decided we'd throw up a wall and ignore it. Now we have ISIS AND millions of refugees. Problems that you ignore or attempt to use to make profit off have a way of coming back and biting you on the arse.

The issue is the median beliefs of that 1.6bn muslims are incompatible with what we consider civilisation. You don't fix that by bombing it, and you don't fix it by ignoring it - you fix it by dealing with the idea.

So nope, Tony was as daft as Dubya was - it's only going to get fixed by out competing the idea - as I said with the Lindt siege. Finally something those marketing execs and PR people are good for ....

Originally Posted by Beoz

....... and Garry ....... and while Tony's, Zulu's, the French Presidents, mine and the author of this well constructed article might seem strange to you, feel free to come up with a better idea.

Paris attacks: five things the world must do in response | smh.com.au

Originally Posted by Beoz

1.6 billion muslims don't kill people. Its only a very tiny minority. A tiny minority that spoil it for the rest, but unfortunately the tiny minority do it in the name of Islam.

Originally Posted by Beoz

The issue is if you do the job the terrorists want you to do, to draw lines, build walls, and say "if you are over this line then you are a terrorist" - then you build them an army because they have nowhere else to go.

Australia already has walls, so does Britain and so does the US.

The rest of Europe needs walls. Too easy for the mad men (or children and women) to seek radicalisation, to seek an idealism, seek a brain washing, seek weapons, in lawless lands, and bring it back to a Europe that has no boundaries.

Once you build the walls you stand a far better chance of finding the mad men within the walls.

Originally Posted by rajj

If the Muslims had been running Europe in the 30s and 40s there may be 6 million more Jews now. But you're right they dont care for islam - radical or not but took '6 million worth of shit' from 'radical christianity then' (by your way of thinking). I don't have a problem with Israel and in many ways admire the people, but not at any cost and not the neo nutters who are hell bent on achieving self destruction by the way they treat Palestinians.