One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:02 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
I quite agree with this, but the CEO of the hospital claims he did not discipline her at all. If this is true, we can dismiss fear of losing her job, but if they are lying and they did discipline her then I think this would definitely be a factor.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:06 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
I first heard these calls in Australia well over twenty years ago. Who came up with the idea first? I don't know.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:06 am
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Sorry, but I put the blame on the radio station and trying to get medical records from a hospital as a 'prank'.
It looks the like radio station is misplaying it by claiming they did nothing illegal. That's only going to make things worse - they needed to sack the DJs. Now, with their attitude they are going to catch the flak as well. Bad mistake.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:08 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
I would hope this was indeed true, but in the mind of someone who may be suffering from some kind of mental health issue, regardless of how much reassurance they have had, the situation would still be praying on their mind. Fears become irrational and small worries are blown completely out of proportion. Regardless of what she had been told, I would imagine she was still terrified that her career was tainted. This prank only occurred on Monday. Still very early days IF any disciplinary action were to be taken, but long enough for worries to fester and grow.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:22 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
One thing I don't like on forums are people who criticise other posters when they're not online. You don't know me, and yet you have written this rude post about me, totally unprovoked. It's bad form and bad forum etiquette. I have never been impolite to you - not once.
So, as I left the playground behind many years ago, and having identified a couple of classic playground bullies right here on this thread, you too are on the internet version of the naughty step - ignore.
So, as I left the playground behind many years ago, and having identified a couple of classic playground bullies right here on this thread, you too are on the internet version of the naughty step - ignore.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:22 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
An action at work can prey on your mind, can be blown out of all proportion, and can have tragic results - even if no-one is taking action against you over it, even if you did the right thing, and even if you haven't breached one of the main rules in the book - confidentiality.
Stop and think how many of us involved in an event such as the response to the Queensland floods either very seriously considered, or tried, to take their own lives as a result of decisions made while doing our jobs.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:25 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
As has been mentioned, it's not the hospital as such, it's the professional body. They can be right *******s.
Sorry, but I put the blame on the radio station and trying to get medical records from a hospital as a 'prank'.
It looks the like radio station is misplaying it by claiming they did nothing illegal. That's only going to make things worse - they needed to sack the DJs. Now, with their attitude they are going to catch the flak as well. Bad mistake.
Sorry, but I put the blame on the radio station and trying to get medical records from a hospital as a 'prank'.
It looks the like radio station is misplaying it by claiming they did nothing illegal. That's only going to make things worse - they needed to sack the DJs. Now, with their attitude they are going to catch the flak as well. Bad mistake.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:26 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
No way do you or anyone else know whether thats true. The only person who knows is the poor nurse, may she rest in peace.
An action at work can prey on your mind, can be blown out of all proportion, and can have tragic results - even if no-one is taking action against you over it, even if you did the right thing, and even if you haven't breached one of the main rules in the book - confidentiality.
Stop and think how many of us involved in an event such as the response to the Queensland floods either very seriously considered, or tried, to take their own lives as a result of decisions made while doing our jobs.
An action at work can prey on your mind, can be blown out of all proportion, and can have tragic results - even if no-one is taking action against you over it, even if you did the right thing, and even if you haven't breached one of the main rules in the book - confidentiality.
Stop and think how many of us involved in an event such as the response to the Queensland floods either very seriously considered, or tried, to take their own lives as a result of decisions made while doing our jobs.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:28 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
I haven't read much other than on Sky and BBC News, but I haven't seen that she was named prior to the news of her death. Perhaps I'm wrong and she was named in the tabloids et al, but I have seen no evidence of this.
My point is that while one can seem outwardly calm, stable and happy etc, we do not know what goes on behind closed doors, or inside someone's mind. To lay ALL the blame at the door of the press is wrong. It may have been a contributing factor, but I very much doubt if it is the sole reason for her suicide, as your posts have been implying. As Eddie previously stated, I would imagine it was the possibility of losing her profession and vocation that weighed heaviest on her mind.
My point is that while one can seem outwardly calm, stable and happy etc, we do not know what goes on behind closed doors, or inside someone's mind. To lay ALL the blame at the door of the press is wrong. It may have been a contributing factor, but I very much doubt if it is the sole reason for her suicide, as your posts have been implying. As Eddie previously stated, I would imagine it was the possibility of losing her profession and vocation that weighed heaviest on her mind.
I would hope this was indeed true, but in the mind of someone who may be suffering from some kind of mental health issue, regardless of how much reassurance they have had, the situation would still be praying on their mind. Fears become irrational and small worries are blown completely out of proportion. Regardless of what she had been told, I would imagine she was still terrified that her career was tainted. This prank only occurred on Monday. Still very early days IF any disciplinary action were to be taken, but long enough for worries to fester and grow.
Even a decision on disciplinary action can take months, meanwhile the person has to go over the incident again and again. Apart from being dragged through the media circus, she would have gone over and over what she should have done, where she went wrong, what was likely to happen to her.
I just felt sick when I saw the news break on twitter, felt so sorry for her and her family and friends.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:31 am
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Absolute bulls**t. It was all over every newspaper in the UK, you're delusional to think that your definition of "Monarchist publications" were the only ones to focus on it.
This example shows the juvenile standards used in Australian media to attract an audience, and if this is what is wanted and needed, shows the juvenile mentality of Australians.
This example shows the juvenile standards used in Australian media to attract an audience, and if this is what is wanted and needed, shows the juvenile mentality of Australians.
It takes the JAWP to make this into a UK v Australia thing.
Dec 8th 2012, 6:33 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
On another angle I was at work when I read the first reports last night, and I read the initial BBC breaking news out to the guy on shift with me.
His response was that he couldn't see what she had done wrong anyway. He seemed to think that anyone had the right to be told the Duchess's condition and medical details, and they should have been given out freely to anyone phoning up. He said it shouldn't be down to nursing staff to decide who should be told how a patient is (royal or not) and he couldn't see what was wrong with any man in the street ringing up and asking for any random person's condition
Nor could he see that the nurses involved had done anything wrong.
Personally I think that's the biggest load of tosh ever, someone' medical details are their personal information and should not be given out to just anyone, but maybe I'm getting old fashioned? What do the rest of you think? Should you be able to get details of anyone's condition just by ringing a hospital/medical facility?
His response was that he couldn't see what she had done wrong anyway. He seemed to think that anyone had the right to be told the Duchess's condition and medical details, and they should have been given out freely to anyone phoning up. He said it shouldn't be down to nursing staff to decide who should be told how a patient is (royal or not) and he couldn't see what was wrong with any man in the street ringing up and asking for any random person's condition
Nor could he see that the nurses involved had done anything wrong.Personally I think that's the biggest load of tosh ever, someone' medical details are their personal information and should not be given out to just anyone, but maybe I'm getting old fashioned? What do the rest of you think? Should you be able to get details of anyone's condition just by ringing a hospital/medical facility?
Dec 8th 2012, 6:54 am
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Re: One of those times you hope the BBC is wrong.
On another angle I was at work when I read the first reports last night, and I read the initial BBC breaking news out to the guy on shift with me.
His response was that he couldn't see what she had done wrong anyway. He seemed to think that anyone had the right to be told the Duchess's condition and medical details, and they should have been given out freely to anyone phoning up. He said it shouldn't be down to nursing staff to decide who should be told how a patient is (royal or not) and he couldn't see what was wrong with any man in the street ringing up and asking for any random person's condition Nor could he see that the nurses involved had done anything wrong.
Personally I think that's the biggest load of tosh ever, someone' medical details are their personal information and should not be given out to just anyone, but maybe I'm getting old fashioned? What do the rest of you think? Should you be able to get details of anyone's condition just by ringing a hospital/medical facility?
His response was that he couldn't see what she had done wrong anyway. He seemed to think that anyone had the right to be told the Duchess's condition and medical details, and they should have been given out freely to anyone phoning up. He said it shouldn't be down to nursing staff to decide who should be told how a patient is (royal or not) and he couldn't see what was wrong with any man in the street ringing up and asking for any random person's condition
Nor could he see that the nurses involved had done anything wrong.Personally I think that's the biggest load of tosh ever, someone' medical details are their personal information and should not be given out to just anyone, but maybe I'm getting old fashioned? What do the rest of you think? Should you be able to get details of anyone's condition just by ringing a hospital/medical facility?
Dec 8th 2012, 7:02 am
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That's part of what I tried to discuss with him. Surely a patient needs to be able to trust their medical carers, and I know if I thought anyone caring for me was free to discuss my personal details with anyone who phoned up I would be less likely to be open with those staff - possibly with fatal consequences.
Dec 8th 2012, 7:10 am
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No way do you or anyone else know whether thats true. The only person who knows is the poor nurse, may she rest in peace.
An action at work can prey on your mind, can be blown out of all proportion, and can have tragic results - even if no-one is taking action against you over it, even if you did the right thing, and even if you haven't breached one of the main rules in the book - confidentiality.
Stop and think how many of us involved in an event such as the response to the Queensland floods either very seriously considered, or tried, to take their own lives as a result of decisions made while doing our jobs.
An action at work can prey on your mind, can be blown out of all proportion, and can have tragic results - even if no-one is taking action against you over it, even if you did the right thing, and even if you haven't breached one of the main rules in the book - confidentiality.
Stop and think how many of us involved in an event such as the response to the Queensland floods either very seriously considered, or tried, to take their own lives as a result of decisions made while doing our jobs.
Notwithstanding the coincidence that perhaps she gad been suicidal for some time and this just pushed her too far?
Last edited by Zen10; Dec 8th 2012 at 7:12 am.