Nuclear Power
Sep 15th 2016, 12:21 pm
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Nuclear Power
Okay, a once great country that basically developed commercial nuclear power and became a world leader in the technology has had to go cap in hand to France and China to finance and build it, but fair pay to them for going ahead with Hinkley Point C. This is nation building stuff and provides genuine energy security. You can possibly argue that the technology is old but it works and is safe
Hinkley Point C finally gets green light as Government approves nuclear deal with EDF and China
Man made global warming is not happening but our governments are fixated by it and many stupidly don't want to stand up and deny, so if nations want to genuinely (but misguidely) reduce carbon emissions then this is the way to go. All other renewable technologies are tinkering around the edges - if you want zero emission, 1st world industrial society base-load power, nuclear is the way to go
Australia should take note - we should be doing the same. 6-8 big nukes scattered around our coastline plus some gas and renewables for peaks and we are sorted for at least 50 years - with Thorium and cold fusion to come - and Australia has vast reserves
I'm gonna get me a slice of this Hinkley taxpayer funded gravy train over the coming years
Onya Poms!!
Hinkley Point C finally gets green light as Government approves nuclear deal with EDF and China
Man made global warming is not happening but our governments are fixated by it and many stupidly don't want to stand up and deny, so if nations want to genuinely (but misguidely) reduce carbon emissions then this is the way to go. All other renewable technologies are tinkering around the edges - if you want zero emission, 1st world industrial society base-load power, nuclear is the way to go
Australia should take note - we should be doing the same. 6-8 big nukes scattered around our coastline plus some gas and renewables for peaks and we are sorted for at least 50 years - with Thorium and cold fusion to come - and Australia has vast reserves
I'm gonna get me a slice of this Hinkley taxpayer funded gravy train over the coming years
Onya Poms!!
Sep 15th 2016, 1:19 pm
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Re: Nuclear Power
Man made climate change denier. How unusual.
Instead of simply putting the burden of proof to the other side of the argument and flat out denying the evidence put in front of you, maybe you could stop being a denier and start properly asking questions on the evidence.
I'm not opposed to nuclear power, except when it's for defence. If we need it to explore the universe, fine. For energy, it's not our only option as clean and renewable energy could actually be sufficient if it wasn't kicked in the nuts by the lobbyist groups for coal etc.
Instead of simply putting the burden of proof to the other side of the argument and flat out denying the evidence put in front of you, maybe you could stop being a denier and start properly asking questions on the evidence.
I'm not opposed to nuclear power, except when it's for defence. If we need it to explore the universe, fine. For energy, it's not our only option as clean and renewable energy could actually be sufficient if it wasn't kicked in the nuts by the lobbyist groups for coal etc.
Sep 15th 2016, 9:51 pm
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I'd be much less sceptical about man made global warming if there wasn't such a huge amount of people making a heap of cash from 'solving' it.
Sep 16th 2016, 12:54 am
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Re: Nuclear Power
Okay, a once great country that basically developed commercial nuclear power and became a world leader in the technology has had to go cap in hand to France and China to finance and build it, but fair pay to them for going ahead with Hinkley Point C. This is nation building stuff and provides genuine energy security. You can possibly argue that the technology is old but it works and is safe
Hinkley Point C finally gets green light as Government approves nuclear deal with EDF and China
Man made global warming is not happening but our governments are fixated by it and many stupidly don't want to stand up and deny, so if nations want to genuinely (but misguidely) reduce carbon emissions then this is the way to go. All other renewable technologies are tinkering around the edges - if you want zero emission, 1st world industrial society base-load power, nuclear is the way to go
Australia should take note - we should be doing the same. 6-8 big nukes scattered around our coastline plus some gas and renewables for peaks and we are sorted for at least 50 years - with Thorium and cold fusion to come - and Australia has vast reserves
I'm gonna get me a slice of this Hinkley taxpayer funded gravy train over the coming years
Onya Poms!!
Hinkley Point C finally gets green light as Government approves nuclear deal with EDF and China
Man made global warming is not happening but our governments are fixated by it and many stupidly don't want to stand up and deny, so if nations want to genuinely (but misguidely) reduce carbon emissions then this is the way to go. All other renewable technologies are tinkering around the edges - if you want zero emission, 1st world industrial society base-load power, nuclear is the way to go
Australia should take note - we should be doing the same. 6-8 big nukes scattered around our coastline plus some gas and renewables for peaks and we are sorted for at least 50 years - with Thorium and cold fusion to come - and Australia has vast reserves
I'm gonna get me a slice of this Hinkley taxpayer funded gravy train over the coming years
Onya Poms!!
I'm disappointed that they have gone for an old PWR design - I think the day of the PWR is over, and while it is a known technology, it hasn't really advanced much since the '50s. Most of the nuclear accidents that have occurred over the last 60 years have been because of the PWR design, so I would personally have preferred to see a modular Integral Fast Reactor design deployed, and if Australia ever decides to take this step, it really should be in this direction, as it answers the waste question almost entirely.
That aside, I think this is a generally good thing, particularly If GE are awarded the PRISM deal at Sellafield - the waste from Hinckley Point C can become the feedstock for the PRISM modules in Cumbria. This would secure UK energy production for much more than 50 years.
The PRISM deal is still out for consultation, but the offer that GE have made is a no brainer in my opinion.
S
Sep 16th 2016, 4:12 am
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Re: Nuclear Power
Man made climate change denier. How unusual.
Instead of simply putting the burden of proof to the other side of the argument and flat out denying the evidence put in front of you, maybe you could stop being a denier and start properly asking questions on the evidence.
I'm not opposed to nuclear power, except when it's for defence. If we need it to explore the universe, fine. For energy, it's not our only option as clean and renewable energy could actually be sufficient if it wasn't kicked in the nuts by the lobbyist groups for coal etc.
Instead of simply putting the burden of proof to the other side of the argument and flat out denying the evidence put in front of you, maybe you could stop being a denier and start properly asking questions on the evidence.
I'm not opposed to nuclear power, except when it's for defence. If we need it to explore the universe, fine. For energy, it's not our only option as clean and renewable energy could actually be sufficient if it wasn't kicked in the nuts by the lobbyist groups for coal etc.
My opinion (which I'm not going to debate):
None of us are climate scientists and even out of all the numerous so-called 'experts', very few actually are (yes I'm looking at you Australia-hating Flannery and co). Therefore all we can do is use our education and intelligence to read and research and draw our own conclusions - and my conclusion is that it ain't happening. Party on with what you want to believe champ
So nuclear it is for reliable, long-term, zero emission base-load power. This cannot be provided by renewables - unless you want to believe in fairy tales, voodoo (aka socialist) economics and the rent-seekers. Actually, as MMGW is not happening, coal is fine and cheap for base-load but the western-haters have lied their myths into the mainstream so that is a dead resource walking. We should really be smashing investment into gas as a power source but that's an argument for another thread
Renewables (apart from pathetic, uber-inefficient windmills) definitely have a place - as long as they require no subsidies from the taxpayer or consumer. I'd love to see investment into genuine solar collectors, geothermal and biomass
UK doing it right. Time for us to follow
Sep 16th 2016, 4:12 am
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Sep 16th 2016, 4:20 am
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I'm disappointed that they have gone for an old PWR design - I think the day of the PWR is over, and while it is a known technology, it hasn't really advanced much since the '50s. Most of the nuclear accidents that have occurred over the last 60 years have been because of the PWR design, so I would personally have preferred to see a modular Integral Fast Reactor design deployed, and if Australia ever decides to take this step, it really should be in this direction, as it answers the waste question almost entirely.
That aside, I think this is a generally good thing, particularly If GE are awarded the PRISM deal at Sellafield - the waste from Hinckley Point C can become the feedstock for the PRISM modules in Cumbria. This would secure UK energy production for much more than 50 years.
The PRISM deal is still out for consultation, but the offer that GE have made is a no brainer in my opinion.
S
That aside, I think this is a generally good thing, particularly If GE are awarded the PRISM deal at Sellafield - the waste from Hinckley Point C can become the feedstock for the PRISM modules in Cumbria. This would secure UK energy production for much more than 50 years.
The PRISM deal is still out for consultation, but the offer that GE have made is a no brainer in my opinion.
S
Reusing nuclear waste is a good idea. During my recent Energy Policy module at uni, I was reading about a plant that the Japanese are building at Oma that does exactly that - yes, Japan is restarting its nuclear infrastructure
It would make sense for the UK to do this as they are planning another massive (Chinese-funded) plant at Bradwell in Essex
Sep 16th 2016, 5:19 am
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Cool
Reusing nuclear waste is a good idea. During my recent Energy Policy module at uni, I was reading about a plant that the Japanese are building at Oma that does exactly that - yes, Japan is restarting its nuclear infrastructure
It would make sense for the UK to do this as they are planning another massive (Chinese-funded) plant at Bradwell in Essex
Reusing nuclear waste is a good idea. During my recent Energy Policy module at uni, I was reading about a plant that the Japanese are building at Oma that does exactly that - yes, Japan is restarting its nuclear infrastructure
It would make sense for the UK to do this as they are planning another massive (Chinese-funded) plant at Bradwell in Essex
The likes of Helen Caldicott will tell you that the waste is an insurmountable problem - and PWRs generate a lot of it as they are very inefficient, and if you're not going to use it productively, then it is a monumental problem in storing waste with very long half lives.
PWRs only release about 2% of the potential energy from uranium because of fuel poisoning by transuranic elements. IFRs burn the transuranic elements, and also release about 90% of the remaining energy potential. The waste generated in this process also has short half lives, hence long term storage is not required.
It's a no brainer - but thankfully we have Bill Clinton and Hazel O'Leary to thank for cancelling the development project which had already been proven to work, and actually cost more to close down than to close out to completion.
S
