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sasbear Jan 24th 2013 10:36 am

Are my views 'out dated'?
 
Just felt the need to ask this question.... I always thought I would be a progressive thinking parent but recently felt that this is not the case....

So - one night stands - ok? No cheating involved - free single young folk...Is it different and more acceptable for a bloke or a woman?

Your views please.

Bermudashorts Jan 24th 2013 10:40 am

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
It is just the same.

knockoff nige Jan 24th 2013 10:50 am

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
Depends on the circumstyances but generally ok, for both guys and girls.

sasbear Jan 24th 2013 10:52 am

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 

Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 10504050)
Depends on the circumstyances but generally ok, for both guys and girls.

girl (young adult) enters pub - chats and flirts with said young man - end up in night of passion - then leaves in morning without any further conversation/plans etc...?

renth Jan 24th 2013 10:59 am

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Originally Posted by sasbear (Post 10504052)
girl (young adult) enters pub - chats and flirts with said young man - end up in night of passion - then leaves in morning without any further conversation/plans etc...?

Fine, so long as the female isn't my daughter.

brissybee Jan 24th 2013 11:06 am

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
Sadly, I think a woman who regularly has one night stands is regarded worse than a man who does the same... though neither is regarded highly imo.

I don't think it's what people think or moral standards that are the issues with one night stands... rather the potential risks associated with having sex with a relative stranger (ie physical/emotional dangers or health risks.)

People do it. They survive. It's just a risk probably best avoided if possible.

All the best. :)

knockoff nige Jan 24th 2013 11:16 am

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Originally Posted by brissybee (Post 10504070)
Sadly, I think a woman who regularly has one night stands is regarded worse than a man who does the same... though neither is regarded highly imo.

I don't think it's what people think or moral standards that are the issues with one night stands... rather the potential risks associated with having sex with a relative stranger (ie physical/emotional dangers or health risks.)

People do it. They survive. It's just a risk probably best avoided if possible.

All the best. :)

I don't think the question was on regular one night stands. An occasional one is fine and very common. I'd say it wouyld be hard to find someone who hasn't had one.

sasbear Jan 24th 2013 11:17 am

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 10504061)
Fine, so long as the female isn't my daughter.

I just think it's wrong - morals etc....And yes it seems to matter when it is someone you know/love/care about.

I am not sure if this view is outdated though. But if it is - then I have to accept my views are 'out dated'.

sasbear Jan 24th 2013 11:18 am

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Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 10504084)
I don't think the question was on regular one night stands. An occasional one is fine and very common. I'd say it wouyld be hard to find someone who hasn't had one.

It was based on a single incident (I hope) and I have never had a one night stand - I couldn't think of anything worse/scarey/horrible.

I try not to judge but find it very difficult.

IvanM Jan 24th 2013 11:19 am

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I prefer girl on girl. Is it more acceptable than bloke on bloke?

BadgeIsBack Jan 24th 2013 11:21 am

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I think its fine for the individuals involved.

They will need to wear the cost, of any, reputation it might bring.

Once people know, and talk about it, and it happens all the time, then the rep might be called into question.

knockoff nige Jan 24th 2013 11:22 am

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Originally Posted by IvanM (Post 10504090)
I prefer girl on girl. Is it more acceptable than bloke on bloke?

Lets ask Bob Katter

sasbear Jan 24th 2013 11:29 am

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504093)
I think its fine for the individuals involved.

They will need to wear the cost, of any, reputation it might bring.

Once people know, and talk about it, and it happens all the time, then the rep might be called into question.

I agree - but does the reputation include how others see it being reflected upon them as close friend/family?

knockoff nige Jan 24th 2013 11:33 am

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Originally Posted by sasbear (Post 10504107)
I agree - but does the reputation include how others see it being reflected upon them as close friend/family?

What does that mean? Your reputation being damaged because your friend shagged some strange bloke? If thats what you mean, I think thats incredibly self involved.

brissybee Jan 24th 2013 11:40 am

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I don't think a persons sex life would affect how a family member might be perceived by other people.

I would be more concerned for the welfare of the person having casual sex than the person who worries about how it might make them look.

scottishcelts Jan 24th 2013 11:52 am

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 10504061)
Fine, so long as the female isn't my daughter.

Exactly what my hubby said :lol:

ozzieeagle Jan 24th 2013 12:10 pm

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
Infinitely better and far less destructive than serial monogamy. Which tends to hurt plenty of people around those involved at break up stage. Very strong views personally on this.

Hence I'll put my hand up and say, I'd much prefer my daughters to carry on like this until they were absolutely and definitely certain of a partner.

Zen10 Jan 24th 2013 12:13 pm

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 

Originally Posted by sasbear (Post 10504027)
Just felt the need to ask this question.... I always thought I would be a progressive thinking parent but recently felt that this is not the case....

So - one night stands - ok? No cheating involved - free single young folk...Is it different and more acceptable for a bloke or a woman?

Your views please.

Should be the same, but society generally labels the man "jack the lad" or "ladies man" depending on his class, and the woman a slapper, irrespective of class.

BadgeIsBack Jan 24th 2013 12:22 pm

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 

Originally Posted by brissybee (Post 10504118)
I don't think a persons sex life would affect how a family member might be perceived by other people.

I would be more concerned for the welfare of the person having casual sex than the person who worries about how it might make them look.

Agree - but if my sons and daughters were demonstrably worse than their peers...across the board...


Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10504148)
Should be the same, but society generally labels the man "jack the lad" or "ladies man" depending on his class, and the woman a slapper, irrespective of class.

The reality is that attractive people meet attractive people and occasionally sparks fly.

With age and experience (ha!) I would say that do your thing but be reasonably discreet. It's still a fact that women are more likely to be judged so be careful but it takes 2 etc. I personally would be more miffed that my daughters would be making themselves ill with over indulgence if it all involved excess across the board...etc.

With age and experience (ha!) when you meet that partner of your dreams all previous fade to nothing...and that the old fashioned advice sort of rings true...but that's easy for me to say!

Zen10 Jan 24th 2013 12:24 pm

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504155)
Agree - but if my sons and daughters were demonstrably worse than their peers...across the board...



The reality is that attractive people meet attractive people and occasionally sparks fly.

With age and experience (ha!) I would say that do your thing but be reasonably discreet. It's still a fact that women are more likely to be judged so be careful but it takes 2 etc. I personally would be more miffed that my daughters would be making themselves ill with over indulgence if it all involved excess across the board...etc.

With age and experience (ha!) when you meet that partner of your dreams all previous fade to nothing...and that the old fashioned advice sort of rings true...but that's easy for me to say!

I'm not a great believer in the true love partner of your dreams stuff, sorry...

BadgeIsBack Jan 24th 2013 12:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10504156)
I'm not a great believer in the true love partner of your dreams stuff, sorry...

I am...cos it happened to me. What I mean is that, it was all worth it!:p
And that sometimes its worth telling your daughter or sons that pure excess (across the board) does not bring happiness....

Zen10 Jan 24th 2013 12:36 pm

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504169)
I am...cos it happened to me. What I mean is that, it was all worth it!:p
And that sometimes its worth telling your daughter or sons that pure excess (across the board) does not bring happiness....

Ah, but you can never know if it happened to you because there are billions of other women out there, any one of whom could be another "one". Agree about the excess though. But refuse to fall into the category of people who say "in my day..."

sasbear Jan 24th 2013 12:40 pm

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I think coming from a very small (minded) community what a close friend/family member does seems to reflect on others.

When one person in our town slept with a few men (married men) then her sister was also classed as 'a bit easy with the loving' - just because one woman liked to behave that way - others presumed the sibling was the same.

I am not saying I agree with this but I acknowledge that it is what happens.

And yes concern for safety was one of my main concerns. Not just safety as in protection but in personal safety and also if the decison was made under the influence of alcohol.

ozzieeagle Jan 24th 2013 12:40 pm

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504169)
I am...cos it happened to me. What I mean is that, it was all worth it!:p
And that sometimes its worth telling your daughter or sons that pure excess (across the board) does not bring happiness....

Me too.... Total agreement. Watch how you feel after the encounter etc.

Conversely it's also why some of the best and surprisingly successful marriages are those to people that others regarded as "the Town bike" etc etc. The otherside of the coin being the most destructive break up's being those involving "Childhood sweethearts"

bcworld Jan 24th 2013 12:41 pm

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504155)
The reality is that attractive people meet attractive people and occasionally sparks fly.

Do guggit people not have one night stands then? :D

ozzieeagle Jan 24th 2013 12:43 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 10504187)
Do guggit people not have one night stands then? :D

Heh :) I wonder if they do as often ? I'd be amazed if they did eh ?

bcworld Jan 24th 2013 12:45 pm

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 10504190)
Heh :) I wonder if they do as often ? I'd be amazed if they did eh ?

Well there's the age old story where one half of the tryst miraculously becomes guggit overnight! :D

Jan4kids Jan 24th 2013 1:11 pm

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No harm in it as long as all aspects of safety are ensured............ie someone knows of whereabouts, condoms etc

Also that the behaviour is not covering an unmet need or emotional problem.

Have fun whilst you are young.....:o

...and yes girls will always get a bad name doing this and guys a 'stud' status......unfair I reckon.

but having said all that and knowing what I was like :o ...ask me again when my kids are sexually active :o:unsure::):)

Jan

knockoff nige Jan 24th 2013 1:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Jan4kids (Post 10504223)
No harm in it as long as all aspects of safety are ensured............ie someone knows of whereabouts, condoms etc

Yes, very important to know where the condoms are

BadgeIsBack Jan 24th 2013 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Jan4kids (Post 10504223)
Also that the behaviour is not covering an unmet need or emotional problem.

Nail on head.

sasbear Jan 24th 2013 1:41 pm

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504249)
Nail on head.

Yes Nail on Head - I do think that is what 's behind the behaviour.

Not sure how it can be fixed.

Tried to talk/braoch the subject but was not welcomed at all - so backed off.

BadgeIsBack Jan 24th 2013 1:59 pm

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Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 10504229)
Yes, very important to know where the condoms are

This applies in any relationship......

IvanM Jan 24th 2013 4:57 pm

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
Girl on girl?



Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10504276)
This applies in any relationship......


IvanM Jan 25th 2013 12:05 pm

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There's no gays in his village;)

Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 10504094)
Lets ask Bob Katter


RedDragon2008 Jan 25th 2013 12:15 pm

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
If they are consenting adults using safe sex, what moral business is it of ours?

Perhaps the question is more of prude/jealousy than or moral high ground?


I certaintly did not mind during the ages of 18 to 28:sneaky: Plenty of nice memories;)

scottishcelts Jan 25th 2013 7:49 pm

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Originally Posted by RedDragon2008 (Post 10506286)
If they are consenting adults using safe sex, what moral business is it of ours?

Perhaps the question is more of prude/jealousy than or moral high ground?


I certaintly did not mind during the ages of 18 to 28:sneaky: Plenty of nice memories;)

:goodpost:

Bernieboy Jan 25th 2013 9:30 pm

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Originally Posted by sasbear (Post 10504088)
It was based on a single incident (I hope) and I have never had a one night stand - I couldn't think of anything worse/scarey/horrible.

I try not to judge but find it very difficult.

I'll bring clothes for 2 nights then,get the beer in:D

Gordon Barlow Jan 26th 2013 10:41 am

Re: Are my views 'out dated'?
 
Here's a good YouTube link - a Country & Western song by a young Loretta Lynn on the subject of fooling around in a "mighty small town". The song starts at about 1.04: skip to there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChLtmalR_Dw

As she sings, about her fiance, "He's loved every woman in Jackson; ah, but Jackson ain't a very big place." Keeps it all in perspective!

RedDragon2008 Jan 26th 2013 11:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 10507506)
Here's a good YouTube link - a Country & Western song by a young Loretta Lynn on the subject of fooling around in a "mighty small town". The song starts at about 1.04: skip to there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChLtmalR_Dw

As she sings, about her fiance, "He's loved every woman in Jackson; ah, but Jackson ain't a very big place." Keeps it all in perspective!

Much like the Harper Valley PTA Mrs Johnson:sneaky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZPBUu7Fro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ivUOnnstpg


We have a lady of the night as one of the mums, in our daughters school year. Its just extremely funny how the wives suddenly don't appreciate the husbands doing pick up or drop off's.

Yes of course I have suggested my daughter has a play date


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