Mcann's on the US Circuit Now....
May 2nd 2009, 3:54 pm
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I'm courting controversy here, but I believe Kate Mcann did away with the kid. I have believed this from day 1. She's just to cool and calm about the whole thing and seems to revel in the media frenzy thats been whipped up. They will find the poor mites body in about ten years when some huntsman takes a leak in the woods and ends up pissing on her bones.
Kate Mcann = Guilty as ****!!
Kate Mcann = Guilty as ****!!
May 2nd 2009, 3:55 pm
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Probably left them the twins home alone in the UK, seems they are innocent of all criminal offecnces and humanity.
Like I say imagine if it was some poor social misfit from Glasgow or similar, they would be vilified....hung drawn and quartered.
Like I say imagine if it was some poor social misfit from Glasgow or similar, they would be vilified....hung drawn and quartered.
What sort of life are the twins having? Do they get carted around the world with the parents or are they left behind in England with baby sitters?
Surely having lost one kid, the priority must be to give the remaining ones as normal a life as possible?
Why would this family want to spend any more time in hotels at all, given their history.
Surely having lost one kid, the priority must be to give the remaining ones as normal a life as possible?
Why would this family want to spend any more time in hotels at all, given their history.
May 2nd 2009, 7:12 pm
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OK now this is something as a parent myself i like many feel very strongly about.
The B all and end all is that if they had put there children's saftey before there 'quality time ' or what ever they want to call it... a the end of they day they are they just wanted ANOTHER meal without the kids supping fancy wine with ther mates then they would still have Maddie with them now. end of story
Many a true word there MP
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The B all and end all is that if they had put there children's saftey before there 'quality time ' or what ever they want to call it... a the end of they day they are they just wanted ANOTHER meal without the kids supping fancy wine with ther mates then they would still have Maddie with them now. end of story
Very happy just no mates around me to throw this in for discussion.
So far great I am leaving my kids locked up in their bedroom tonight, with no parents or guardians....
If its good enough for a Doctor to do, why the hell not me.....
Yep too true if they were scumbags from the local estate i,m ure this case would have been forgotton by now!
No more babysitters,,,, yahooooooo, and if anything happens, I can go around telling everyone it wasnt my fault.....and get paid for it....
So far great I am leaving my kids locked up in their bedroom tonight, with no parents or guardians....
If its good enough for a Doctor to do, why the hell not me.....
Yep too true if they were scumbags from the local estate i,m ure this case would have been forgotton by now!
No more babysitters,,,, yahooooooo, and if anything happens, I can go around telling everyone it wasnt my fault.....and get paid for it....
I feel 100% that the McCanns should be prosecuted for leaving Maddie. The fact that they left their children that night, one 3 year old and two 18 month old twins beggars belief. I couldn't contemplate leaving my kids, if I even went out the door for 20 seconds my mind would be racing with all the possibilities of what could happen. It was irresponsible and child neglect.
At the end of the day, if they hadn't of left her, she wouldn't have got taken and would be safely in their arms now.
I fail to understand how people can be so sympathetic towards them, I would personally like to see both of them prosecuted.
I'm sure if you could ask Maddie, she would say she wished her mother hadn't left her alone!!!!
It is your responsibility as a parent to protect and look after your children, both of these factors she failed on!!!
At the end of the day, if they hadn't of left her, she wouldn't have got taken and would be safely in their arms now.
I fail to understand how people can be so sympathetic towards them, I would personally like to see both of them prosecuted.
I'm sure if you could ask Maddie, she would say she wished her mother hadn't left her alone!!!!
It is your responsibility as a parent to protect and look after your children, both of these factors she failed on!!!
They deserve to be crucified. What they did was unforgivable; they failed in their first duty as parents - to protect and care for their children.
This was not a simple mistake, it was a chosen derliction of the responsibility as parents.
As has been said, if the McCanns had been of a lesser status they would have been prosecuted.
The main reason why they should be taken to task is to ensure, as far as possible, that children are not placed in danger due to the selfishness of their parents or guardians.
Having said that, I fervently hope that Madaleine has come to no real harm, and is happy wherever she is.
This was not a simple mistake, it was a chosen derliction of the responsibility as parents.
As has been said, if the McCanns had been of a lesser status they would have been prosecuted.
The main reason why they should be taken to task is to ensure, as far as possible, that children are not placed in danger due to the selfishness of their parents or guardians.
Having said that, I fervently hope that Madaleine has come to no real harm, and is happy wherever she is.
Regardless of the blame for leaving the children, if they are on the US circuit to try and make some headway in finding Maddie then I say go for it. I personally don't think she'll ever be found, even if she's still alive BUT they made a massive mistake and will live with that mistake for the rest of their lives. If they can do something to a) help them sleep at night, and b) highlight the plight of the thousands of children who go missing every year then who wouldn't do that? And if that means touring the world talking about it and raising money to help towards searching for any child then that's what they have to do.
Can we please remember, this wasn't the only night she was left alone? So they didn't make a mistake "for one night" as some have stated. This was the last night of their 2 week holiday and the children (3 under 3) were left alone, as were the other's children for 13 nights.
That poor child, whatever has happened to her. The parents are to blame 100%. They might (?) not have killed her but their actions led to her going missing. If it were me, I would blame myself every single day and deserve all the guilt and pain that came my way. Your children are your most precious things. I bet their passports and euros were securely locked in a safe.
That poor child, whatever has happened to her. The parents are to blame 100%. They might (?) not have killed her but their actions led to her going missing. If it were me, I would blame myself every single day and deserve all the guilt and pain that came my way. Your children are your most precious things. I bet their passports and euros were securely locked in a safe.
im a bit shocked by this thread
ok, they left the kids alone!
crime time for anyone who does this, might be about 6 months, tops!
so lets lock them up for 6 months then after that leave them alone to find their child.
to carry the guilt this couple have for the rest of their life, i wouldnt care if they turned up at my door. at least they are still trying to fix what the fkd up.
heres my question. if and its a big IF they ever find her, should they be allowed to keep her? being such bad people and all that.
but hey its just my opinion and a can have a go at anyone as long as i say its just my opinion, dont need to feel guilty about it
ok, they left the kids alone!
crime time for anyone who does this, might be about 6 months, tops!
so lets lock them up for 6 months then after that leave them alone to find their child.
to carry the guilt this couple have for the rest of their life, i wouldnt care if they turned up at my door. at least they are still trying to fix what the fkd up.
heres my question. if and its a big IF they ever find her, should they be allowed to keep her? being such bad people and all that.
but hey its just my opinion and a can have a go at anyone as long as i say its just my opinion, dont need to feel guilty about it
Dougie
May 2nd 2009, 10:09 pm
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All interresting reading.
The scenario that the parents left the kids to enjoy adult time seems to be a problem for many adults I see.
The logic seems to be - I have kids, but it is my life and they have to fit in. If inconvenient, they will be left on the sidelines until it is convenient for me, then I will let them back.
Hence the kids get into trouble, have problems etc. I am firmly of the belief that you choose to have kids, not the other way round. You cannot expect your kidfree life to continue without change. Kids = big lifestyle change! If no change then you are not giving the kids the nurturing/attention they need in their developing years.
TD
The scenario that the parents left the kids to enjoy adult time seems to be a problem for many adults I see.
The logic seems to be - I have kids, but it is my life and they have to fit in. If inconvenient, they will be left on the sidelines until it is convenient for me, then I will let them back.
Hence the kids get into trouble, have problems etc. I am firmly of the belief that you choose to have kids, not the other way round. You cannot expect your kidfree life to continue without change. Kids = big lifestyle change! If no change then you are not giving the kids the nurturing/attention they need in their developing years.
TD
May 3rd 2009, 12:15 am
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Re: Mcann's on the US Circuit Now....
OK now this is something as a parent myself i like many feel very strongly about.
The B all and end all is that if they had put there children's saftey before there 'quality time ' or what ever they want to call it... a the end of they day they are they just wanted ANOTHER meal without the kids supping fancy wine with ther mates then they would still have Maddie with them now. end of story
Many a true word there MP
Your Right LVL
Dougie
The B all and end all is that if they had put there children's saftey before there 'quality time ' or what ever they want to call it... a the end of they day they are they just wanted ANOTHER meal without the kids supping fancy wine with ther mates then they would still have Maddie with them now. end of story
Many a true word there MP
Your Right LVL
Dougie
Scumbags from run down estates DON'T leave their kids in on their own - they trail them around all the pubs with them!
Far safer if you ask me. Selfish, but safer.
May 3rd 2009, 12:16 am
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May 3rd 2009, 12:20 am
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Kate McCann ............and then there was Karen Matthews 
May 3rd 2009, 2:08 am
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May 3rd 2009, 2:54 am
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One of the theories put out at the time was that she had been accidently given and overdose by her "doctor" father. From what I read she used to have terrible trouble sleeping so she was on prescribed medication to help her sleep. Did he give her an extra dose so she wouldn't ruin their night out, like she did apparantley a few night previous? Also some questions were asked which I find interesting.
Two of which:- why did they not phone the police for nearly 2 hours? And why did the Cadaver dogs confirm there had been death in the appartment? If she had walked off or been snatched, they wouldn't have sensed it would they? I believe it was an accidental overdose, they've disposed of the body, then phoned the police.
Two of which:- why did they not phone the police for nearly 2 hours? And why did the Cadaver dogs confirm there had been death in the appartment? If she had walked off or been snatched, they wouldn't have sensed it would they? I believe it was an accidental overdose, they've disposed of the body, then phoned the police.
May 3rd 2009, 3:04 am
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I remember feeling so sick and wondering just how the poor parents would be able to cope after poor Madeleine had gone missing.Then I read about her and her siblings being left on their own in an unlocked apartment.After that I just felt very angry at the McCann's who let their daughter down.
I maybe should feel sorry for them but I don't.What was it they said it was reasonable parenting?They were more concerned about their image than just saying we were wrong.
I will save all my sympathy for poor Madeleine and her twins when they find out how they were let down.Sue.
I maybe should feel sorry for them but I don't.What was it they said it was reasonable parenting?They were more concerned about their image than just saying we were wrong.
I will save all my sympathy for poor Madeleine and her twins when they find out how they were let down.Sue.
May 3rd 2009, 3:47 am
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One of the theories put out at the time was that she had been accidently given and overdose by her "doctor" father. From what I read she used to have terrible trouble sleeping so she was on prescribed medication to help her sleep. Did he give her an extra dose so she wouldn't ruin their night out, like she did apparantley a few night previous? Also some questions were asked which I find interesting.
Two of which:- why did they not phone the police for nearly 2 hours? And why did the Cadaver dogs confirm there had been death in the appartment? If she had walked off or been snatched, they wouldn't have sensed it would they? I believe it was an accidental overdose, they've disposed of the body, then phoned the police.
Two of which:- why did they not phone the police for nearly 2 hours? And why did the Cadaver dogs confirm there had been death in the appartment? If she had walked off or been snatched, they wouldn't have sensed it would they? I believe it was an accidental overdose, they've disposed of the body, then phoned the police.
Someone reported their 5 year old little girl missing, she had wondered off or something in literally a 5 minute timeframe - the parents were panic striken and wanted to call the police there and then, in fact they were yelling at the barman to do it.
A waiter came up and said that a friend of the family had taken the child back to the hotel at Club Armonia down the road for something or other.
The mother was distraught and still wanted the cops called but just as she was going to, the family friend who was a woman, brought the little girl back and they all had a heated debate about it and it was all sorted, I think the child had wet herself or something if my memory serves me.
Anyway, waiting 2 hours to call the cops? No way, this mother was beside herself and wanted action then and there.
Personally I dont know how anyone can think a 4 year old is responsible to leave on her own with twins. A night out cannot be that important surely?
And what did they expect her to do in an emergency?
But then again I am not a mother, perhaps if I was I might think it is perfectly OK to leave a toddler on her own, I might think it is the same as being in the garden while she is asleep upstairs.
But somehow, I doubt it. I wouldnt leave my best camera on view in an apartment, let alone the most precious thing in the world - a child.
Maybe they did check the apartment every 15 mins, but somehow I doubt that as well - 15 mins can extend to 30 mins when you are enjoying yourself.
Was this the only time the child was left alone? Was someone watching the apartment and knew the routine which enabled them to get into the accommodation and take Maddie?
Checking up on her every 15 mins was no good though was it? It took less time to take her than 15 mins.
The McCann's are now paying the price - but whatever price they are paying, no matter how much they wanted that night out - Maddie paid a far higher price than they ever will.
That poor little girl.
May 3rd 2009, 8:04 am
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I believe Madeleine was kidnapped and is probably dead by now.
Many people take the line that "this case is only received so much publicity because the parents are rich professionals". That view was shattered by the Shannon Matthews case, which proved that the attention of the media and the public is grabbed by events, rather than socio-economic factors.
Continued interest in the McCann story is generated largely and primarily by the fact that Madeleine's disappearance was so mysterious; it's almost a Marie Celeste situation. The child simply vanished without any trace or evidence, while her siblings were left behind, unharmed. Of course, her parents have worked hard to keep their campaign running, which is both commendable and perfectly understandable.
I believe that the McCanns were terribly negligent - perhaps criminally so - and I think they should be prosecuted for it. But I do not believe they are murderers.
If - by some miraculous and as-yet-undiscovered means - they did kill their daughter, they must be criminal masterminds of the highest order, because at this stage the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is a classic example of the perfect crime.
Many people take the line that "this case is only received so much publicity because the parents are rich professionals". That view was shattered by the Shannon Matthews case, which proved that the attention of the media and the public is grabbed by events, rather than socio-economic factors.
Continued interest in the McCann story is generated largely and primarily by the fact that Madeleine's disappearance was so mysterious; it's almost a Marie Celeste situation. The child simply vanished without any trace or evidence, while her siblings were left behind, unharmed. Of course, her parents have worked hard to keep their campaign running, which is both commendable and perfectly understandable.
I believe that the McCanns were terribly negligent - perhaps criminally so - and I think they should be prosecuted for it. But I do not believe they are murderers.
If - by some miraculous and as-yet-undiscovered means - they did kill their daughter, they must be criminal masterminds of the highest order, because at this stage the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is a classic example of the perfect crime.