Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
#92
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
I'm curious. What are people thoughts on children growing up in same sex marriages?
One opinion could be it makes no difference. Children grow up in single parent families. Big deal on the dual parent families even if they are the same sex.
Another opinion is that children don't get the benefit of a male father figure or female mother figure.
One opinion could be it makes no difference. Children grow up in single parent families. Big deal on the dual parent families even if they are the same sex.
Another opinion is that children don't get the benefit of a male father figure or female mother figure.
A child that has parent(s) that love it, couldn't care less what sex the parents are.
#93
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Yes, but being really religious doesn't mean they have a valid argument. Tradition has an importance. But there is no tradition in marriage worth protecting anymore.
#94
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
I'm curious. What are people thoughts on children growing up in same sex marriages?
One opinion could be it makes no difference. Children grow up in single parent families. Big deal on the dual parent families even if they are the same sex.
Another opinion is that children don't get the benefit of a male father figure or female mother figure.
One opinion could be it makes no difference. Children grow up in single parent families. Big deal on the dual parent families even if they are the same sex.
Another opinion is that children don't get the benefit of a male father figure or female mother figure.
#95
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
This is the part that turns my stomach. It's all very well saying everything is fine between 2 consenting adults behind closed doors but this is not a consulting adult and shouldn't be dragged into it. To me if they choose to lead this alternative lifestyle then they should not get all the privileges associated with marriage. which to me is bringing up a family.
#97
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
This is the part that turns my stomach. It's all very well saying everything is fine between 2 consenting adults behind closed doors but this is not a consulting adult and shouldn't be dragged into it. To me if they choose to lead this alternative lifestyle then they should not get all the privileges associated with marriage. which to me is bringing up a family.
And not everyone marries to have kids anyway. There are many marriages, gay and straight, where the partners have never intended to have kids at all.
#98
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
This is the part that turns my stomach. It's all very well saying everything is fine between 2 consenting adults behind closed doors but this is not a consulting adult and shouldn't be dragged into it. To me if they choose to lead this alternative lifestyle then they should not get all the privileges associated with marriage. which to me is bringing up a family.
Straight people don't have the monopoly on building a nurturing and supportive environment for kids to grow up in you know. There are many, many straight couple that abuse, mistreat or otherwise neglect their children, largely because they often had little choice about whether they actually had them.
There are millions of orphans throughout the world. Do you think they would rather grow up in a loving, same sex parentage household, or in the Orphanarium?
I really don't see why this turns your stomach.
S
#99
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
Who wears the white dress and carries the flowers?
Would lesbians have a best woman?
Would queers be jealous cos theres a best man?
Would lesbians have a best woman?
Would queers be jealous cos theres a best man?
#101
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
This seems as good a place as any to post a list of useful axioms on the general topic of sexual matters...
"Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night." Rodney Dangerfield
"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 600SL." Lynn Lavner
"Women might be able to fake orgasms. But men can fake a whole relationship." Sharon Stone
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." Jack Nicholson
"Ah, yes, divorce, from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet." Robin Williams
"Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place" Billy Crystal
"According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other women. They say that women are too judgmental, whereas, of course, men are just grateful." Robert De Niro
"There's a new medical crisis. Doctors are reporting that many men are having allergic reactions to latex condoms. They say they cause severe swelling. So what's the problem?" Dustin Hoffman
"There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men think, 'I know what I'm doing. Just show me somebody naked!'" Jerry Seinfeld
"It's been so long since I've had sex, I've forgotten who ties up whom." Joan Rivers
"Sex is one of the most wholesome, beautiful and natural experiences money can buy." Steve Martin
" You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman. Stuff you pay good money for in later life." Elmo Phillips
" Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." Oscar Wilde
" It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married." George Burns
"Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night." Rodney Dangerfield
"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 600SL." Lynn Lavner
"Women might be able to fake orgasms. But men can fake a whole relationship." Sharon Stone
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." Jack Nicholson
"Ah, yes, divorce, from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet." Robin Williams
"Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place" Billy Crystal
"According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other women. They say that women are too judgmental, whereas, of course, men are just grateful." Robert De Niro
"There's a new medical crisis. Doctors are reporting that many men are having allergic reactions to latex condoms. They say they cause severe swelling. So what's the problem?" Dustin Hoffman
"There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men think, 'I know what I'm doing. Just show me somebody naked!'" Jerry Seinfeld
"It's been so long since I've had sex, I've forgotten who ties up whom." Joan Rivers
"Sex is one of the most wholesome, beautiful and natural experiences money can buy." Steve Martin
" You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman. Stuff you pay good money for in later life." Elmo Phillips
" Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." Oscar Wilde
" It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married." George Burns
#102
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
This is the part that turns my stomach. It's all very well saying everything is fine between 2 consenting adults behind closed doors but this is not a consulting adult and shouldn't be dragged into it. To me if they choose to lead this alternative lifestyle then they should not get all the privileges associated with marriage. which to me is bringing up a family.
#103
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
In Australia at least, laws already allow adoption by same sex couples and same sex stepparents in some states and territories even though there is no same sex marriage. Many children are probably also being brought up by a same sex couple where one 'parent' has no legal status.
So how is same sex marriage going to change that?
#104
Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
I'm curious. What are people thoughts on children growing up in same sex marriages?
One opinion could be it makes no difference. Children grow up in single parent families. Big deal on the dual parent families even if they are the same sex.
Another opinion is that children don't get the benefit of a male father figure or female mother figure.
One opinion could be it makes no difference. Children grow up in single parent families. Big deal on the dual parent families even if they are the same sex.
Another opinion is that children don't get the benefit of a male father figure or female mother figure.
The kids I know well from a same sex relationship are well balanced, polite, bright, talented and fun girls. They have male grandparents, uncles and friends in their lives so have plenty of male role models. Their home is lovely, they have two loving parents, pets, go to a catholic school, dance - all the stuff most other kids I know do - no alternative lifestyle, all pretty normal really.
Edited to add that when I first met this family, the government did not recognise the parents' relationship. The biological mother was classified as a single mother and entitled to government benefits even though she was living with her partner who worked full time in a well paid position. I wonder if all those against gay marriage would prefer to support them with their tax dollars instead.
Last edited by Kim67; Jun 30th 2015 at 11:40 pm.
#105
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Re: Let's spice things up by resurrecting the Gay marriage debate
I'm not sure that the issue of children is one which is inextricably linked to same sex marriage - even though many against cite this as their main argument.
In Australia at least, laws already allow adoption by same sex couples and same sex stepparents in some states and territories even though there is no same sex marriage. Many children are probably also being brought up by a same sex couple where one 'parent' has no legal status.
So how is same sex marriage going to change that?
In Australia at least, laws already allow adoption by same sex couples and same sex stepparents in some states and territories even though there is no same sex marriage. Many children are probably also being brought up by a same sex couple where one 'parent' has no legal status.
So how is same sex marriage going to change that?
Just asking the question