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BadgeIsBack Apr 24th 2012 3:50 pm

Lest we forget...
 
We recognise our current and ex servicemen (indeed anyone who serves) around the World.

I've just taken my children out to the village service around the memorial, followed by a spread at the RSL.

The heavens opened but as the speaker said, the guys at Gallipoli had to put up with a lot worse than that.

We seem to be getting more and more people each year.

B

brissybee Apr 24th 2012 4:02 pm

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Soldiers who are sent to fight for their country pay a very high price.

For that, they should always be remembered.

jad n rich Apr 24th 2012 10:10 pm

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10023869)
We recognise our current and ex servicemen (indeed anyone who serves) around the World.

I've just taken my children out to the village service around the memorial, followed by a spread at the RSL.

The heavens opened but as the speaker said, the guys at Gallipoli had to put up with a lot worse than that.

We seem to be getting more and more people each year.

B

Went to the Dawn service, me and one of the dogs:o, everyone else snoring still.


For me I have to remember all nationalities, those who died no matter where they were from.

Cheetah7 Apr 24th 2012 10:17 pm

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I took this photo today, this guy fascinated me - the pride in his face, bet he could tell some stories.

The one of the kids makes me smile - I think it is great that families can wear the medals of their grandparent/great grandparents and how everyone is encouraged to take part in this parade, I had heard in the UK that this is not allowed for the Remembrance Day - is that true?

Watching the kids wave their flags and cheer their families - I loved it.:):wub:

Lest we forget.

Mipik Apr 24th 2012 10:40 pm

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[QUOTE=Cheetah7;10024286]
The one of the kids makes me smile - I think it is great that families can wear the medals of their grandparent/great grandparents and how everyone is encouraged to take part in this parade,
[QUOTE]

How about kids wearing medals won by parents/grandparents for their bravery in Vietnam war if they fought on the side that actually won that war?

Just asking.

BadgeIsBack Apr 24th 2012 10:50 pm

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Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 10024268)
Went to the Dawn service, me and one of the dogs:o, everyone else snoring still.


For me I have to remember all nationalities, those who died no matter where they were from.

At our service the bloke makes a point of naming everyone individually and naming every service entity.....up to the local laundry service...

cresta57 Apr 24th 2012 11:18 pm

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Number one son was part of the honour guard at the cenotaph, no idea if it was Rockingham or somewhere else close to Garden Island. Difficult getting a conversation out of him at this late hour of the day:o:blink:

Bernieboy Apr 24th 2012 11:30 pm

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:thumbup:

MissingOZ Apr 25th 2012 12:39 am

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They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

mikelincs Apr 25th 2012 1:48 am

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Originally Posted by Cheetah7 (Post 10024286)
I took this photo today, this guy fascinated me - the pride in his face, bet he could tell some stories.

The one of the kids makes me smile - I think it is great that families can wear the medals of their grandparent/great grandparents and how everyone is encouraged to take part in this parade, I had heard in the UK that this is not allowed for the Remembrance Day - is that true?

Watching the kids wave their flags and cheer their families - I loved it.:):wub:

Lest we forget.

Yes, kids and other family members like husbands, wives, parents are allowed to wear the medals in the UK, and many of them are allowed to parade as well.

commonwealth Apr 25th 2012 2:06 am

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Three cheers for the red, white and blue,

For the red is the blood of our brothers.

The white is the light of the star,

That has led us to where we are.

The blue is the hue of the sky,

Where on high the mighty falters never.

Our banner for one hundred years!

Oh pioneers! Here's to the southern star forever!

Cheetah7 Apr 25th 2012 2:19 am

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[QUOTE=Mipik;10024338][QUOTE=Cheetah7;10024286]
The one of the kids makes me smile - I think it is great that families can wear the medals of their grandparent/great grandparents and how everyone is encouraged to take part in this parade,


How about kids wearing medals won by parents/grandparents for their bravery in Vietnam war if they fought on the side that actually won that war?

Just asking.
I posted two photographs out of 300 that I took today, that is it - nothing more nothing less. I did not stop to check 'what side' anyone was on.

rasen78 Apr 25th 2012 3:43 am

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Originally Posted by Mipik (Post 10024338)

How about kids wearing medals won by parents/grandparents for their bravery in Vietnam war if they fought on the side that actually won that war?

Just asking.

Remembrance Day is not about winners or losers. It is about any service personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice, regardless of nationality, in ALL conflicts.

Below is a pic of our boy proudly wearing his dad's medals :wub:

Cheetah7 Apr 25th 2012 4:15 am

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Originally Posted by rasen78 (Post 10024850)
Remembrance Day is not about winners or losers. It is about any service personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice, regardless of nationality, in ALL conflicts.

Below is a pic of our boy proudly wearing his dad's medals :wub:

Lovely pic, they have every right to be proud and so do you - look at his little face.:wub:

rasen78 Apr 25th 2012 4:52 am

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Originally Posted by Cheetah7 (Post 10024932)
Lovely pic, they have every right to be proud and so do you - look at his little face.:wub:

Aw thanks. He is a bit scrummy:D. Not quite sure how ROMFT and I managed to make such a cutie:blink:

abi31 Apr 25th 2012 7:37 am

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Originally Posted by rasen78 (Post 10024850)
Remembrance Day is not about winners or losers. It is about any service personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice, regardless of nationality, in ALL conflicts.

Below is a pic of our boy proudly wearing his dad's medals :wub:

Bless that's so adorable :starsmile:

Ate some Anzac biscuits today - good times. I spend a lot of time thinking about the sacrifices made by those who fight on our behalf on a day-to-day basis - always leaves me awed.

On a side note think the Aussies should think twice about their headgear - that hat on the guy in Cheetah's post somewhat lessens the gravity of a hugely honourable situation!

BadgeIsBack Apr 25th 2012 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by abi31 (Post 10025301)
Bless that's so adorable :starsmile:

Ate some Anzac biscuits today - good times. I spend a lot of time thinking about the sacrifices made by those who fight on our behalf on a day-to-day basis - always leaves me awed.

On a side note think the Aussies should think twice about their headgear - that hat on the guy in Cheetah's post somewhat lessens the gravity of a hugely honourable situation!

That and the fact he's had one too many pies..

Cheetah7 Apr 25th 2012 10:11 am

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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10025412)
That and the fact he's had one too many pies..

Pie muncher :D

Bernieboy Apr 25th 2012 10:18 am

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Lest we forget the enemy who have fallen,for they too were courageous and paid the ultimate sacrifice.

BadgeIsBack Apr 25th 2012 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by Bernieboy (Post 10025675)
Lest we forget the enemy who have fallen,for they too were courageous and paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Indeed

eddie007 Apr 25th 2012 2:05 pm

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 10024394)
Number one son was part of the honour guard at the cenotaph, no idea if it was Rockingham or somewhere else close to Garden Island. Difficult getting a conversation out of him at this late hour of the day:o:blink:

If it was at shocko (closest event to Garden Island) i am pleased to report that my entire family, especially The1, were there to support him at the Dawn service, and the 11 o clock service.... And Mumbles marched with him...(well a bit further back with the scouts)

He did you proud which ever event he was at...:)

Dorothy Apr 25th 2012 4:03 pm

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Originally Posted by rasen78 (Post 10024850)
Remembrance Day is not about winners or losers. It is about any service personnel who have made the ultimate sacrifice, regardless of nationality, in ALL conflicts.

Below is a pic of our boy proudly wearing his dad's medals :wub:

He's gorgeous. :)

cresta57 Apr 25th 2012 8:47 pm

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Originally Posted by eddie007 (Post 10026001)
If it was at shocko (closest event to Garden Island) i am pleased to report that my entire family, especially The1, were there to support him at the Dawn service, and the 11 o clock service.... And Mumbles marched with him...(well a bit further back with the scouts)

He did you proud which ever event he was at...:)

I spoke to him after he'd sobered up, he was at the Port Kennedy Cenotaph:o

eddie007 Apr 26th 2012 1:08 am

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 10026367)
I spoke to him after he'd sobered up, he was at the Port Kennedy Cenotaph:o

Pmsl... Call himself an australian Navy Boy if he can remember where he was???

slapphead_otool Apr 26th 2012 1:56 am

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Originally Posted by abi31 (Post 10025301)

On a side note think the Aussies should think twice about their headgear - that hat on the guy in Cheetah's post somewhat lessens the gravity of a hugely honourable situation!

A perfectly bashed slouch hat. I don't see the problem. That's what they are supposed to look like.....:unsure:

Pollyana Apr 26th 2012 1:59 am

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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 10026824)
A perfectly bashed slouch hat. I don't see the problem. That's what they are supposed to look like.....:unsure:

I think abi31 is still in the UK, probably not used to Aussie army dress ;)

slapphead_otool Apr 26th 2012 2:11 am

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10026833)
I think abi31 is still in the UK, probably not used to Aussie army dress ;)

The slouch hat goes back to the Boer War, when it proved to be cheap (compared to pith helmets and shakos) and practical in the strong African sun. The Australian army was founded around the time the war ended, and they just adopted it for the same reasons. They are made of rabbit fur, and you soak them in water and let them dry on a wooden "block" to "bash" them to shape.

They are always worn a tad small, and with a rakish tilt. These days they are worn with the brim down unless on a parade, when one side is clipped up - this was to stop it being knocked off by the bayonet of the old 303 rifle.

Lots of Diggers hate them and prefer the beret, as they require a lot of maintenance and can't be rolled up and put in a pocket.

slapphead_otool Apr 26th 2012 2:59 am

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Long long long ago, I joined to TA. My grandfathers old regiment. Same Company.

For many years afterwards I subscribed to the regimental magazine. I finally stopped in about 1991 - they used to mail it to to me in Australia.

There was an obituary section, and one day I was especially saddened to read about the death of a former member of the regiment.

RIP "private John Jones Lewis, who lost his memory as a result of a wound in 1918, and lived in Powick Hospital Worcester until his death on 3rd July 1990, aged 97."

He lived for over 70 years in hospital, with no memory.

I would guess the "wound" was shell shock. Powick hospital was a psychiatric asylum.

Poor bugger.

eddie007 Apr 26th 2012 6:25 pm

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My maternal Grandfather had shell shock as a result of the batlle of the Somme... He was gassed too.... He wasnt allowed to stay in hospital in Blighty when he was over the worst of the gassing he was given the options of going back to the front or being shot for "lack of moral fibre"

I eat bran flakes for breakfast every morning in memory of him....

chris955 Apr 26th 2012 6:41 pm

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"The official rules for wearing medals allow only official awards to be worn. Unofficial purchased medals and foreign medals which do not have the Sovereign's permission to be worn are not allowed. Standard Bearers, Parade Marshals and other officials on Legion duty are bound by this ruling and unofficial medals must not be worn when on Legion duty.

The medals awarded to a deceased Service / ex-Service person may be worn on the right breast by a near relative (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, husband, daughter and son). Not more than one group should be worn by any individual."

One thing is certan, no action will be taken officially if anyone wears a relation's medals. In the Legion this practice is banned for Standard Bearers and parade officials and as stated above for other members."


Originally Posted by Cheetah7 (Post 10024286)

The one of the kids makes me smile - I think it is great that families can wear the medals of their grandparent/great grandparents and how everyone is encouraged to take part in this parade, I had heard in the UK that this is not allowed for the Remembrance Day - is that true?

.


commonwealth Apr 26th 2012 7:40 pm

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can i wear a medal on the basis of "freedom of speech"?

Beaverstate Apr 26th 2012 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by commonwealth (Post 10028108)
can i wear a medal on the basis of "freedom of speech"?

Can/will you fight for it?

ukecadet Apr 26th 2012 8:43 pm

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Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10028041)
"The official rules for wearing medals allow only official awards to be worn. Unofficial purchased medals and foreign medals which do not have the Sovereign's permission to be worn are not allowed. Standard Bearers, Parade Marshals and other officials on Legion duty are bound by this ruling and unofficial medals must not be worn when on Legion duty.

The medals awarded to a deceased Service / ex-Service person may be worn on the right breast by a near relative (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, husband, daughter and son). Not more than one group should be worn by any individual."

One thing is certan, no action will be taken officially if anyone wears a relation's medals. In the Legion this practice is banned for Standard Bearers and parade officials and as stated above for other members."

Where did you get you info from please.My son wanted to wear 2 sets.He plays in a pipe band and marched last Wednesday.As it turned out he didn't wear any at all because it was raining and the band wore Inverness capes.The medals wouldn't be seen so didn't bother.So if I have it in black and white it will help arguing the toss with the boy for next year.

slapphead_otool Apr 26th 2012 8:47 pm

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Originally Posted by commonwealth (Post 10028108)
can i wear a medal on the basis of "freedom of speech"?

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...ersary&t=1&c=1

Go get it tiger.......:thumbsup:

MissingOZ Apr 26th 2012 8:49 pm

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Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10028041)
"The official rules for wearing medals allow only official awards to be worn. Unofficial purchased medals and foreign medals which do not have the Sovereign's permission to be worn are not allowed. Standard Bearers, Parade Marshals and other officials on Legion duty are bound by this ruling and unofficial medals must not be worn when on Legion duty.

The medals awarded to a deceased Service / ex-Service person may be worn on the right breast by a near relative (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, husband, daughter and son). Not more than one group should be worn by any individual."

One thing is certan, no action will be taken officially if anyone wears a relation's medals. In the Legion this practice is banned for Standard Bearers and parade officials and as stated above for other members."

I'd dare anyone to tell a familiy member or child to take them off! Too many servicemen/women attend these occassions. If they got wind of someone being told to take them off.......look out.

MissingOZ Apr 26th 2012 9:01 pm

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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 10026857)
The slouch hat goes back to the Boer War, when it proved to be cheap (compared to pith helmets and shakos) and practical in the strong African sun. The Australian army was founded around the time the war ended, and they just adopted it for the same reasons. They are made of rabbit fur, and you soak them in water and let them dry on a wooden "block" to "bash" them to shape.

They are always worn a tad small, and with a rakish tilt. These days they are worn with the brim down unless on a parade, when one side is clipped up - this was to stop it being knocked off by the bayonet of the old 303 rifle.

Lots of Diggers hate them and prefer the beret, as they require a lot of maintenance and can't be rolled up and put in a pocket.

Much better than our 'Twat Hat'. We prefer the beret too. :nod:

slapphead_otool Apr 26th 2012 9:05 pm

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Originally Posted by MissingOZ (Post 10028211)
Much better than our 'Twat Hat'. We prefer the beret too. :nod:

My only real issue with the slouch was (actually "is", as I am still in the reserve staff pool) the problem in high wind, when the buggers fly off when you are on parade.

ukecadet Apr 26th 2012 9:08 pm

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Originally Posted by MissingOZ (Post 10028211)
Much better than our 'Twat Hat'. We prefer the beret too. :nod:

Not familiar with that term but I'm guessing it's furry and falls over the ears.Enlighten please.

MissingOZ Apr 26th 2012 9:52 pm

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Originally Posted by ukecadet (Post 10028223)
Not familiar with that term but I'm guessing it's furry and falls over the ears.Enlighten please.

No..:rofl: Thats the deer stalker.

It called a 'Twat' Hat because thats what we look like/feel like when wearing it.

slapphead_otool Apr 27th 2012 2:42 pm

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Originally Posted by MissingOZ (Post 10028304)
No..:rofl: Thats the deer stalker.

It called a 'Twat' Hat because thats what we look like/feel like when wearing it.

At one time we were issued with a second slouch hat, for bush use without a puggarie. Diggers bashed them in all manner of shapes, a Les Hiddens, an Admiral, a trilby. RSMs would go crazy about it. Apparently the old vietnam era jungle cloth bush didn't provide enough protection in the sun.

Then they issued a new wide brim ozcam bush hat. This could be strengthened by slipping coat hanger wire into the brim. The result was even more outlandish styles.

The one hat I really detest is the Kevlar. Heavy, sound deadening and big.

Edited to add: the Vietnam era bush hat is known to the Diggers as a "giggle" hat, no idea why.....


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