the troubadour

I thought you two were joined at the hip. Now your telling me it ain't so?

Beoz

That's because you want it handed to you on a silver platter. The world doesn't work that way. The sooner you realise, that miserable world of yours will become a happier place.

OzTennis

The relevance was comparing people on 112 times the tube drivers you slated as undeserving of what they receive but you can't see that and never will.

Beoz

I don't care for the few tube drivers who fancy a strike who earn well anobe what those doing a similar role earn. I care for the millions it displaces every time they put their greedy wants ahead of their fellow Londoners.

Don't you get that? Its called being selfish. I cannot spell it out to a life long union man any other way to make it more simple for you.

Bermudashorts

You are being utterly illogical. Why are you comparing a tube driver with a handful of individuals working as Chief Executives? Tube drivers don't earn much compared to premier league footballers either, it still doesn't mean that their £49k plus 54 days annual leave allowance is justified. It is quite clearly a joke for the level of skill involved.

OzTennis

I'm not sure what earning well anobe is but you would ignore the greed of bankers trying to increase their premier league bonuses dreaming up increaingly risky financial instruments who caused the GFC? You would ignore the greed of the likes of Sir Philip Green? Nothing compared to some people having to find an alternative way of commuting I guess?

OzTennis

I repeat again, some people earn 112 times on average what some other people earn. I was putting it in perspective.

Beoz

Its doesn't matter. They earn what they are worth to the share holders. No tube driver is worth more than a teacher or a nurse which I might add is a skilled profession. It would be lot harder to get a nurse than it is a tube driver if those greedy unions didn't have their way.

BTW. If a CEO has a bad year you either write it of to market conditions, a stroke off bad luck, or whatever. Lots of intricate details in play. If he's just crap you sack him.

Now how do you sack a teacher or tube driver? You don't. Lets look at risk and reward shall we?

Amazulu

Remember, as conformed earlier in this thread, that unions distort the supply/demand equation. Nice gig for them, not so for everyone else and the overall economy

Margaret Thatcher showed the world the benefits of breaking unions and socialism - and in the process saved her nation from economic oblivion

Hope this helps

Bermudashorts

So what is your point? It is blindingly obvious that some people earn more than average, would be mathematically impossible not to. You might be typing this out thinking y are talking sense but really you are not..

Amazulu

True when you are bitter and twisted and hate where you live

Australia is expensive but has a great standard of living, low levels of poverty and has a generally egalitarian and equitable society - only the Scandinavian countries of Europe (and Switzerland and maybe Austria) are comparable, certainly not Germany

I know economics (and reality come to think of it) are not your strong points but try and read up on the Human Development Index (HDI) and let me know what you think Herman

OzTennis

Oh dear, you might get the sack after some years of £5.5 mill, my heart bleeds. Of course when you sack a CEO you have to pay him (usually a him, occasionally a her) a few times annual salary as a parting gift and top up his pension fund. A starting teacher is on about 1/250 of a CEO; as you are not GTC registered I fully understand that you don't know the conditions you are bound by and how you can be de-registered.

A teacher used to be in a full time job with a final salary pension scheme. Just in case you don't know, the final salary scheme has been closed for a long time and teachers are now on short term, renewable contracts. You get to the end of the contract, it isn't renewed if the head teacher no longer wants you. That's how you get rid of a teacher. Are CEO's on 6 month or one year contracts which give them no entitlement if they are sacked?

You probably won't understand this but when it was a final salary scheme it was a 1/80 scheme. Thatcher made it a 1/60 scheme for police and the armed forces - i.e. police/armed forces worked 30 years to get a 1/2 pension, teachers had to work 40 years for the same benefits. It's what Tories do - value law and order above educatiing the masses. Their own don't have to worry - they can afford to send their children to private schools and pay fees greater than what a teacher earns.

I'm guessing with your mind which runs along tramlines (on the right side of the road) won't comprehend any of this and you'll trot out the 'wanting everything on a silver platter', 'you work for me', ' you can get a job in private industry' empty rhetoric.

Amazulu

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Isn't it great that a shopkeeper's daughter became one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century

Just goes to show the power of western society - you can achieve much if you really want to

Hope this helps

OzTennis

So great her party ditched her. She:

Misjudged over the Poll Tax.
Took Britain into a probably unnecessary war causing a lot of death.
Has been accused of racism by many.
Caused a widening in income inequalities in the 11.5 years of her premiership.
Was thought to be too authoritarian by her own party.
Was accused of holding the UK back over her increasing Euroscepticism.
Was ousted by her own party over her plummeting popularity and winning her last election with only 40% of the vote.
Took the axe to many popular public programs such as student tuition fees.

It has been summed up as follows:

"However, the opinion polls from the late 1980s show that the public rejected virtually all major reforms that were adopted or proposed during her third term in office. On the eve of her resignation, Thatcher was perceived as being out of touch by both the public and the opposition as well as her own party."

Great leader? Only in the eyes of some to the right of the Tory party and not even for all of her 'reign' (and she did use the Royal 'we' to describe herself quite often).

Amazulu

If you are socialist and therefore hate the UK/West then you will believe all this shite

If you are a normal person you will realise that this great woman saved her nation from economic oblivion and 3rd world status. I first went to the UK as a teenager in 1981 - and trust me, it is a much, much better place in 2016. Never forget all the elections she won - voters don't re-elect governments that are hurting them. The wasters (socialists, losers, parasites etc) hated her. Normal people liked her. Simple

Onya Maggie