Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 8007026)

That makes sense, Britain spends most the 19th century Fighting France and
most of the 20th century fighting Germany so it does'nt have to become a part of Europe then in the 21st century it just hands the country over to Europe.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8006507)

What else could I call you?. You are proud of the fact that you are teaching kids nonsense and helping to perpetuate a myth. Idiot was the politest thing I could think of to post.

Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 8007058)

What myth am I teaching? Your British sensibilities are all upset because a film character makes a throwaway line about the British drinking tea on a beach? So we should just not watch the film? The film is about the Australian experience at Gallipoli, not the British experience, but obviously you are so British centric that this is not acceptable. That post about the historical inaccuracies in teh film was just laughable, you could say the same for every film ever made based on history. Year 10 students are not examining the military battles of Gallipoli, the film doesn't even mention "the neck" or if it does, the students would not understand the reference. Please don't ever become a high school teacher because you would have them bored witless.

Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 8007058)

What myth am I teaching? Your British sensibilities are all upset because a film character makes a throwaway line about the British drinking tea on a beach? So we should just not watch the film? The film is about the Australian experience at Gallipoli, not the British experience, but obviously you are so British centric that this is not acceptable. That post about the historical inaccuracies in teh film was just laughable, you could say the same for every film ever made based on history. Year 10 students are not examining the military battles of Gallipoli, the film doesn't even mention "the neck" or if it does, the students would not understand the reference. Please don't ever become a high school teacher because you would have them bored witless.

Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 8006126)

I am the "idiot?" ha ha ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8007080)

You really don't get it do you. My 15yr old has just been 'taught', by people with your approach that the Australian experience at Gallipoli was Britain's fault. No if's, but's or maybe's, it was all the fault of the British. The film was then rolled out to prove the point and show the 'facts'. If you are happy with that, then that's great. Carry on.

Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 8007435)

I seriously doubt that. It it is certainly not the way we teach it at my school.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8007080)

You really don't get it do you. My 15yr old has just been 'taught', by people with your approach that the Australian experience at Gallipoli was Britain's fault. No if's, but's or maybe's, it was all the fault of the British. The film was then rolled out to prove the point and show the 'facts'. If you are happy with that, then that's great. Carry on.

Originally Posted by saveme (Post 8007465)

What was that American film starrng Jon Bon Jovi? The one that showed American sailors boarding a U Boat to salvage an Enigma machine. Imagine the rage in Australia if it had really been Aussie sailors.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8007445)

I'll let him know what you said and he can go in and tell his teacher that somebody on the net said he's doing it all wrong.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8007469)

That was U-571. Royal Navy had got their hands on Enigma before the US even entered the war.

Originally Posted by ukecadet (Post 8007643)

She went on to tell me her husband was a holocaust survivor from Auschwitz and they had strong views on the war and a dislike of the British.

Originally Posted by renth (Post 8008960)

Didn't we create Israel for them?

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8009001)

We did... eventually. We spent the first few years after WWII trying to prevent Jews entering Palestine, many of whom would have been survivors of the camps, which probably coloured Jewish perception of Britain at that time.

To say that the transition from the British Mandate for Palestine to the State of Israel was messy would be an understatement in the extreme. The good old USofA didn't help matters one bit and have been paying the price for it ever since.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8005886)

As I can't be arsed taking this any further and I would have hoped you would have researched your own subject, I will just settle for a cut and paste.

Historical Criticism

Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 8006004)

I am sorry, I just think you are being incredibly nit-picking. In fact, the Australian officers in the film are not portrayed sympathetically, and like a previous poster pointed, the commander with the upper crust British accent was actually an Australian - thats how some Aussies sounded back them. I had assumed he was British, I stand corrected. Nobody seriously dislikes the British because of the film "Gallipoli." The fact is, Australians went to war to help their Mother Country, Britain, and fought in a war that was patently ridiculous to satisfy the bloodlust of Eurepean politicians. No-one cares about the nitty gritty of what the Nek battle was, who helped who, in fact none of this is explained in any detail in the film (after all it is film aimed at the mainstream, not military experts) I think it is irrelevant. The film barely deals with the British, or indeeds offers any explanation for why WW1 broke out. In fact, Mel Gibson's character asks Archie what the war is about, and Archie basically doesn't know (typical of the public at that time) It is simply a film that shows the tragedy of trench warfare and how many Australians went of to war all gung-ho only to die, be maimed, and see their mates cut down, for basically nothing. I commend the film makers, the students love it, and it gets across the messages about warfare that few textbooks are able to do so. In case you didn't realise, Australia voted to remain a constititional monarchy in 1996, so obviously the millions of Australians who have watched Gallipoli clearly don't hate us for what happened at Gallipoli.

Originally Posted by aussietobe (Post 8005840)

Please list the facts where the film is wrong and I will gladly hand it to my students before we watch the film in the future. I have seen the film many times now, and it is actually not full of "facts" it just a portrayal of two young men who join up for different reasons, and find out war is hell, before one gets cut down by machine gun. Seriously, lighten up.