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How long before you buy your first Electric Vehicle.

Old Aug 12th 2018, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle View Post
I reckon we are 5 years away from the great general public definitely considering electric cars as their first preference. Put another way It's 1992 on the net, look what had happened to the net by 2002. I'd say Electric vehicles are going to be taken on board twice as quickly as the net. So that 1992 analogy will be 2018-2023. So by 2023 everyone will be considering electric cars as a potential purchase.

Looks like we are going to witness two major technological revolutions in our lifetimes.
There's another thing that people ignore, too. One of the issues that is always brought up is the fact that with an ICE you can refuel whenever you want too, whereas an EV does require some planning if travelling over say 500Km.

However, if and when EVs get to a tipping point of ownership obviously the demand for gas decreases, and I thing many filling stations will become non-viable. Then the equation changes - more charging stations, fewer gas pumps, in an exponential curve.
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Old Aug 12th 2018, 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Wol View Post
However, if and when EVs get to a tipping point of ownership obviously the demand for gas decreases, and I thing many filling stations will become non-viable. Then the equation changes - more charging stations, fewer gas pumps, in an exponential curve.
I'm actually guessing that many shopping centres will convert many of their parking bays to automated recharging stops. Reasoning goes thus :
  1. As robotaxies increase and online ordering/delivery increases with it, your conventional bricks and mortar stores will continue to fade away - with less cars parking in consequence.
  2. In an effort to draw people in, and make some money off the land, owners will put in automated recharging and waiting areas for robotaxies (why not use that space).
  3. It won't be 4c off per litre, shops will try things like "free charge whilst you shop", so the longer you are there, the more charge your car gets.
  4. Similarly, train stations will look to build out charging infrastructure in their car parks.
  5. In short, where you see a car park today, it will either become a charging spot in future, or if the land is too valuable, it will be built on.
One of the things we haven't see yet, but I expect before too soon, is the charging coming up from the ground to the base of the vehicle, rather than aping the fuel filler cap. Someone needs to define a standard.
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Old Aug 21st 2018, 5:56 am
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Tesla say the range is not that much reduced by AC and heating, and although I find their figures difficult to believe it remains a fact that as a company the worst thing that could happen is for the public to constantly see EVs stranded by the roadside because they've run out of grunt so I reckon they have got a handle on it.
I'll say they're spinning it. Heating and cooling the inside of a car is going to take energy - a car AC can use up to just under 8kW at full blast. That's a lot

Any electrical system - including a battery - is affected by cold and heat. So if a car traction battery is going to be useful across all temperature ranges, then it will need to be cooled/warmed - which again, takes energy

In our Australian context, on a 42C afternoon, an EV is going to have its range seriously chopped. Add to this hills, wind, stop/start and that 400km range is now 300kms - or less

We're just not there yet
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Old Aug 21st 2018, 12:05 pm
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I'll say they're spinning it. Heating and cooling the inside of a car is going to take energy - a car AC can use up to just under 8kW at full blast. That's a lot

Any electrical system - including a battery - is affected by cold and heat. So if a car traction battery is going to be useful across all temperature ranges, then it will need to be cooled/warmed - which again, takes energy

In our Australian context, on a 42C afternoon, an EV is going to have its range seriously chopped. Add to this hills, wind, stop/start and that 400km range is now 300kms - or less

We're just not there yet
The heating/cooling of the battery is part of the "vampire" energy loss - I certainly wouldn't leave an EV at the airport for a month's vacation!

If you go onto the Tesla site and "order" a car (just don't press the "go ahead" button <g>) you can enter the battery size, wheels etc and look at the predicted range with different outside temperatures, speed, a/c on/off etc. According to owners on the Tesla club sites the numbers are pretty accurate - and as I said previously no EV seller will if he's got any sense exaggerate the figures if it leads to their wheels being constantly seen by the side of the road miles from an electrical socket.
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Old Aug 22nd 2018, 5:19 am
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Sounds like the financial markets (short sellers to be precise) are out to crush Tesla. That would be a shame if they do. Hope Elon is able to rebound this.
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