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bigAPE Jan 12th 2009 2:50 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by Syedney (Post 7158850)
You see because you want to have the ability to update cart, save product info so you can show these to users, you will need dynamic HTML and not static. For this you will need, something, like ASPNET. I mention this and not the other technologies here because that's what I know.

As a beginner interested in starting out in this field getting a grounding in the basics is critical. Walk before you run.

When you feel like running, don't waste your time buying an e-Commerce solution when there are many open source offerings available. This will allow krestsaf to ease himself/herself into the next stage of the learning curve without incurring additional costs. While I have no inherent issue with the ASP.NET based CMS and Commerce offerings out there, the volume of freely available PHP based solutions, sample code and community support would suggest that this would be a more appropriate course of action.

Once krestsaf is prepared to step into the big world outside then I would feel more than happy suggesting .NET (specifically, but not limited to, C#) as a stepping stone into Enterprise development platforms. Microsoft offers the Express line of development tools for free which would make an excellent tooling choice as would Eclipse for Java (any of the varieties although I do like Oracle's).

However, walk before you run...

I'm a senior Enterprise Software Architect fluent in .NET, Java and PHP as well as many other languages and technologies. I'm also an MCSD.NET and have been doing it for over twenty years. Everyone has to start somewhere...

Al

bigAPE Jan 12th 2009 2:52 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by Gobbledegeek (Post 7159482)
If all you want to do is establish a single web site with e-commerce, as opposed to learn web development, why not take a look at Joomla! into which you may simply plug in a shopping cart along with a multitude of other ''components/extensions'.

I would second that. Having worked with Joomla and Mambo before it (I have even released some rather popular add-ons for them) I can not recommend them enough.

DunRoaminTheUK Jan 12th 2009 3:10 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 7159867)
As a beginner interested in starting out in this field getting a grounding in the basics is critical. Walk before you run.

When you feel like running, don't waste your time buying an e-Commerce solution when there are many open source offerings available. This will allow krestsaf to ease himself/herself into the next stage of the learning curve without incurring additional costs. While I have no inherent issue with the ASP.NET based CMS and Commerce offerings out there, the volume of freely available PHP based solutions, sample code and community support would suggest that this would be a more appropriate course of action.

Once krestsaf is prepared to step into the big world outside then I would feel more than happy suggesting .NET (specifically, but not limited to, C#) as a stepping stone into Enterprise development platforms. Microsoft offers the Express line of development tools for free which would make an excellent tooling choice as would Eclipse for Java (any of the varieties although I do like Oracle's).

However, walk before you run...

I'm a senior Enterprise Software Architect fluent in .NET, Java and PHP as well as many other languages and technologies. I'm also an MCSD.NET and have been doing it for over twenty years. Everyone has to start somewhere...

Al

.NET only emerged in 2000. Do you mean that you have 20 years of software development experience?

bigAPE Jan 12th 2009 3:14 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by DunRoaminTheUK (Post 7159920)
.NET only emerged in 2000. Do you mean that you have 20 years of software development experience?

Yes sir, but I did have an iPhone in 1984 ;)

viviennef Jan 12th 2009 3:38 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 
open source rules.

I use .net but only because I have to. I wont admit I love the IDE :)

Viv

DunRoaminTheUK Jan 12th 2009 3:40 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by viviennef (Post 7160015)
open source rules.

I use .net but only because I have to. I wont admit I love the IDE :)

Viv

Best of both worlds (well, kind of)... http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

krestsaf Jan 12th 2009 5:21 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 
thanks for all the replies (debates)

I was trying to design a site for a friend but in a short time period of which I cant do with the limited knowledge I have so have admitted defeat.

But will def research what u have given me so far in a more adequate time scale

thanks

Scrawni 2 Mar 2nd 2009 8:45 am

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 
Has anyone used, 'Coffeecup' website design software to create their own website?

http://www.coffeecup.com/

ABCDiamond Mar 2nd 2009 12:17 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by krestsaf (Post 7156053)
oh ok i admit defeat sounds like i should give in and forget it now:sneaky:

Never give in... You should have seen my first web site :rofl:

But it's much better now, well, at least I think so....

Now waiting for the experts to give me their opinions.... :eek:

Brisben Mar 2nd 2009 2:51 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 7339256)
Never give in... You should have seen my first web site :rofl:

But it's much better now, well, at least I think so....

Now waiting for the experts to give me their opinions.... :eek:

I am no expert but I have seen many, yours is good mate.

ABCDiamond Mar 2nd 2009 5:20 pm

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by Brisben (Post 7339551)
I am no expert but I have seen many, yours is good mate.

Thanks for the comment :thumbsup:

The "Original site, based on HTML", that I mention was not my first one.
That one was a massive improvement on my first attempts, which should indicate how bad my early version were :rofl:

I am however looking at reverting to a htm version, as they seem to open faster than php. But I am going into a steeper learning curve on this now, to try to get the best looks with fast page opening :cool:

Brisben Mar 3rd 2009 8:22 am

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 7339824)
Thanks for the comment :thumbsup:

The "Original site, based on HTML", that I mention was not my first one.
That one was a massive improvement on my first attempts, which should indicate how bad my early version were :rofl:

I am however looking at reverting to a htm version, as they seem to open faster than php. But I am going into a steeper learning curve on this now, to try to get the best looks with fast page opening :cool:


You got it all wrong. your early versions weren't bad, just your newer ones are better.

Anyway enough trumpet blowing!:D

Hutch Mar 3rd 2009 9:32 am

Re: HELP! Can anyone help me learn web design?
 
I think an important thing to remember is that there is an opportunity for one-(wo)man band web designers in this country that doesn't really exist in the UK anymore. Australia's a long way behind the UK and Europe in web implementation and a solo web designer producing bespoke sites for SMEs can make a good living. In the UK the various roles that all used to be tackled by a single person have become highly specialised, so you get interface designers, back-end specialists, SEOs and all the jobs in between. My missus has been in the game since 1993 and has hooked up with a Sydney based marketing company to offer web services, but she's also getting good local work. In the UK she was forced to work with your specialist coders, not always a pleasant situation.


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