Beoz

1-2 per 100 die of covid related problems and that doesn't include the long term side effects. 1-2 per 1 million have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Get on with it.

the troubadour

Do go ahead. Reflective people may just want want a little more reassurance prior to submitting. But the figure suggests 100,000 have some reaction as I recall.

the troubadour

Obviously asleep on the job as repeating yourself. But probably better a long rest and disconnection from things you need not concern yourself over.

Beoz

100,000 have had a headache ...... oh diddums........ nearly 3 million have died from Covid. Get on with it.

the troubadour

Best you get on with it and allow those thinking folk to consider own options. (no one what may be down the road) Hence why not go with/demand a safer option ?

themerlin

People also get side effects from the Pfizer vaccine, but it seems more from the second dose.

the troubadour

Interesting. I've yet to hear that. Both family members had the Pfizer , one who is very sick with leukemia, both experienced no ill effects. While both that had AZ vaccine experienced side effects, with older member still doing so after nearly two weeks. Obviously anything we allow into our bloodstream can cause an effect. Reason why I try my best to arrive at the most likely positive outcome.

Beoz

An 82 died in Brisbane hours after the Pfizer jab. I am pretty sure all the pessimists and media organisations that love negativity will be desperately trying to draw a link.

the troubadour

It's not media but health experts calling attention to AZ. In Europe it has been found wanting. France allows a choice of vaccine as well. But do what you feel is best for you. Just be wary of government spin that may not necessary be in own interest.
There is a difference between critique and negativity. Not always called out in Australia. Long may accountability be held to account and blind acceptance called out.

old.sparkles

Can I suggest again that you have a look at other forum sections. Members have reported side effects from Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and of course AZ.

Try here for a start - https://britishexpats.com/forum/trai...gotten-936648/

ETA - if your family members are still experiencing 'side effects', perhaps they should get a COVID test as the time frame you have listed is well outside the norms of anything I've previously read.

Beoz

So AZ is still on the table for those they deem the risk v benefit category, the plus 50's, but they are going to work their butts off to secure the Pfizer instead of rushing those AZ's imports for the below 50's. Meanwhile they have increased the blood clotting to 4-6 per million people meanwhile happily dish out the oral contraceptive pill at a blood clotting ratio of 1 per 1000 people. ..... ah the politics and the media hype.

the troubadour

Page not found. The thing being of course is that a vaccination of any sort can and does lead to certain ill effects. Usually though discomfort does not persist or initiate to more serious, even life threatening outcomes.
Who knows the longer term effects of any vaccination or I suppose medication for that matter. Anything used over a prolific period may well lead to negative outcomes. It's a matter of balance between the options. When as in the case of Australia, there is a lack of urgency in terms of vaccinating the population, we have the advantage of not rushing unlike some other countries, but getting it right. I have no evidence that has come to light to me at least, that other vaccines have been found wanting to the extent AZ has been found to in expert medical circles.

the troubadour

Something I find concerning to say the least. If not suitable for under fifties why over that age?

themerlin

The clots only seem to effect younger people (or more likely to), also over 50's more as risk.

Beoz

You should read what I wrote. Risk v Benefit. Not my words. The CMO's. Personally I believe they have been a bit cautious on the Risk v Benefit. They should still be rolling out AZ (unless the other somehow arrive on our shores tomorrow) and dealing with the 200 blood clots that "may" occur. Australia has lost over 900 souls to COVID. Another 200 blot clots over a population of 25 mill is just part of the COVID whip out deal.