Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8334149)

THey don't say it, they simply don't model it. Perhaps I'm missing it, and you could point me to the relevant IPCC publication. I tried this one:

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/technical-papers/paper-II-en.pdf

This is the publication which describes their model. They are quite happy to say that all heat energy that enters the atmosphere (which isn't actually correct) is from the sun and then they ignore it. There is no mention of how or whether they model changes in solar radiation, nor is there any mention of how they predict the behaviour of the sun if they do model changes in solar irradiation. My suspicion is that they set a nice high constant for solar input and left it at that.

And yet changes in solar irradiation have caused most, if not all, previous climate changes.

I would be delighted if you could show me how and with what accuracy the IPCC climate models predict future solar energy input to the system. It is of obvious vital importance to their conclusions.

Originally Posted by iolande (Post 8334238)

I'll leave that one to you - it is the basis of your argument, not mine

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8334262)

So let's go back to my argument then. Every previous climate change was caused by natural forces, primarily changes in solar output, why is this one different?

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8334718)

You never seen The Flintstones then?

Climate change in Fred's time was all down to those foot powered stone cars that everybody charged about in. Three gallons of sweat to the mile those buggers needed.

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8334760)

Even carbon dioxide sounds more likely than that.

Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar (Post 8334781)

What about dinosaur farts?

Originally Posted by iolande (Post 8334811)

Oh my lord! You finally proved what killed the dinosaurs off!

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8334760)

Even carbon dioxide sounds more likely than that.

Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar (Post 8334781)

What about dinosaur farts?

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8334843)

I blame the Anusorearse - A plant eater, you'll be unsurprised to discover.

Fact: Linda McCartney let rip with the loudest ever recorded fart just before she breathed her last. Paul has recorded it, repitched it across the keyboard and plays The Frog Chorus with it as a means of tribute every other Tuesday.

Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 8334850)

So any current AGW can be blamed on a dog with Wings.:D

Originally Posted by Burbage (Post 8334262)

So let's go back to my argument then. Every previous climate change was caused by natural forces, primarily changes in solar output, why is this one different?

Originally Posted by Budawang (Post 8335022)

Well, maybe this one is different because there are 6 billion humans on the planet spewing CO2.

Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 8335034)

Spewing?

No, sorry Budawing, i cant let that comment pass.....


Do you know the percentage of Anthropogenic CO2 emissions compared to natural emissions?

Originally Posted by Budawang (Post 8335022)

Well, maybe this one is different because there are 6 billion humans on the planet spewing CO2.