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Old May 24th 2019, 5:50 am
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Well a good starter would be no tax for earners under or up $25,000.
What's the tax free threshold in Germany, Norway, UK, Denmark? $18k here is not bad
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Old May 24th 2019, 5:57 am
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This keeps getting better, I've just been reading that Albo is good mates with Jeremy Corbyn! So Labor have changed a disastrous hard-left leader, for an ultra-left leader

Go on Albo, despite what just happened, I dare you to implement Corbyn-like policies - the LNP in power until at least 2025!

Although Albanese is trying to act all moderate now, hard socialism and hatred is in his DNA and it won't be long before he won't be able to help himself and will try and lurch the ALP even further to the left meaning happy days ahead for the majority!
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This keeps getting better, I've just been reading that Albo is good mates with Jeremy Corbyn! So Labor have changed a disastrous hard-left leader, for an ultra-left leader

Go on Albo, despite what just happened, I dare you to implement Corbyn-like policies - the LNP in power until at least 2025!

Although Albanese is trying to act all moderate now, hard socialism and hatred is in his DNA and it won't be long before he won't be able to help himself and will try and lurch the ALP even further to the left meaning happy days ahead for the majority!
Odd how you pretend to hate socialism when in fact you applaud it. Even if only when coming to the rescue of banks and business and so forth. Albo, will most likely sadly, become a bit of a Tony Blair lite at a guess. Like Corbyn , both give all the appearances of speaking out for the 'small people'. What a rarity these days, when most politicians just want ordinary people wrapped in a sea of debt they'll probably never be able to pay, working all hours of the day, with limited rights at work, perhaps a few jobs on the go in order to get by, paying speculators a big share of their hard earned pay in rents and never being able to get of the hamster wheel.
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Old May 25th 2019, 2:50 am
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What's the tax free threshold in Germany, Norway, UK, Denmark? $18k here is not bad
All those countries have better welfare and heath systems(UK an exception but route Australia is going minus NHS) than Australia together with proper pensions. As for tax I can even declare my public transport expenses unlike Australia, which favours the car and costs involved around that at personal expense.
As these are inferior Australia will the likelihood of getting far worse could at least allow a respectable personal allowance before tax kicks in.
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Old May 25th 2019, 4:21 am
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All those countries have better welfare and heath systems(UK an exception but route Australia is going minus NHS) than Australia together with proper pensions. As for tax I can even declare my public transport expenses unlike Australia, which favours the car and costs involved around that at personal expense.
As these are inferior Australia will the likelihood of getting far worse could at least allow a respectable personal allowance before tax kicks in.
$18-odd k is a respectable allowance - higher than Germany for instance

There are plenty of things the Australian taxpayer can claim as a deduction - swings and roundabouts

Still waiting on a figure for the big end of town - don't overcomplicate it, a ballpark will do
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$18-odd k is a respectable allowance - higher than Germany for instance

There are plenty of things the Australian taxpayer can claim as a deduction - swings and roundabouts

Still waiting on a figure for the big end of town - don't overcomplicate it, a ballpark will do
Nothing over complicated at least for me. Placing a figure on it is arbitrary, with the intention of doing nothing more than cloud the waters a typical neo liberal ploy. The big question being the sort of country the population want Australia to become. Reduced taxes and tax avoidance by the big end of town just means everybody will as a result experience a decline in services be that in aged care, health care and those suffering disability.
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Odd how you pretend to hate socialism when in fact you applaud it. Even if only when coming to the rescue of banks and business and so forth. Albo, will most likely sadly, become a bit of a Tony Blair lite at a guess. Like Corbyn , both give all the appearances of speaking out for the 'small people'. What a rarity these days, when most politicians just want ordinary people wrapped in a sea of debt they'll probably never be able to pay, working all hours of the day, with limited rights at work, perhaps a few jobs on the go in order to get by, paying speculators a big share of their hard earned pay in rents and never being able to get of the hamster wheel.
Is this all people? Some? A select few? Personally I know none.
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Nothing over complicated at least for me. Placing a figure on it is arbitrary, with the intention of doing nothing more than cloud the waters a typical neo liberal ploy. The big question being the sort of country the population want Australia to become. Reduced taxes and tax avoidance by the big end of town just means everybody will as a result experience a decline in services be that in aged care, health care and those suffering disability.
Who are these tax avoiders at the big end of town? Is the ATO not doing their job and hunting them down? You should report anyone not following the rules. I will support you on that.
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Old May 25th 2019, 11:36 am
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Nothing over complicated at least for me. Placing a figure on it is arbitrary, with the intention of doing nothing more than cloud the waters a typical neo liberal ploy. The big question being the sort of country the population want Australia to become. Reduced taxes and tax avoidance by the big end of town just means everybody will as a result experience a decline in services be that in aged care, health care and those suffering disability.
All those services are well funded in Australia. Sure, there could always be more money needed, but there will never be enough money

My wife works in the NDIS system, which has a budget of $22 billion. She tells me about the huge sums that some families receive, massive amounts. Good, we need to look after the genuinely unfortunate. It's far from a shit system

Still no figure for the BEOT? Surely you must have a rough figure in mind? Billy had a figure, I'll give him that. Your argument is worthless without a number
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Old May 26th 2019, 4:18 am
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Is this all people? Some? A select few? Personally I know none.
Close to highest personal indebted nation in developed world. So quite a considerable number. You'd need to get out a bit I suppose in order to meet people. Plenty hurting out there.
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All those services are well funded in Australia. Sure, there could always be more money needed, but there will never be enough money

My wife works in the NDIS system, which has a budget of $22 billion. She tells me about the huge sums that some families receive, massive amounts. Good, we need to look after the genuinely unfortunate. It's far from a shit system

Still no figure for the BEOT? Surely you must have a rough figure in mind? Billy had a figure, I'll give him that. Your argument is worthless without a number
Funding cut back on all manner of services. You cannot have a welfare state that supports people in times of sickness, old age, disabilities or unemployed with the cutting of taxes. Such money does not come from a vacuum. Services across the board suffer. As head of AMA has said Australia is heading for the American system of health care without government intervention.
Service providers are finding it very hard to cope with reduced money and greater work loads, resulting in poorer outcomes to clients and shuffling of people between various agencies, lots of passing the buck, while attempting to cover back from ant litigation or neglect accusations not to mention staff dissatisfaction and high turn overs and less than competent management in too many areas .
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Who are these tax avoiders at the big end of town? Is the ATO not doing their job and hunting them down? You should report anyone not following the rules. I will support you on that.
A typical neo liberal approach to cloud the waters and knowingly doing so. One ponders why you are so keen on big end tax abuse when you are a little person yourself? I think Marx called it a 'false sense of own consciousness ' or words to that affect, which sounds remarkable apt considering the situation.
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Funding cut back on all manner of services. You cannot have a welfare state that supports people in times of sickness, old age, disabilities or unemployed with the cutting of taxes. Such money does not come from a vacuum. Services across the board suffer. As head of AMA has said Australia is heading for the American system of health care without government intervention.
Service providers are finding it very hard to cope with reduced money and greater work loads, resulting in poorer outcomes to clients and shuffling of people between various agencies, lots of passing the buck, while attempting to cover back from ant litigation or neglect accusations not to mention staff dissatisfaction and high turn overs and less than competent management in too many areas .
Go on, you know you can do it - just a rough ballpark figure
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Close to highest personal indebted nation in developed world. So quite a considerable number. You'd need to get out a bit I suppose in order to meet people. Plenty hurting out there.
That's not what the official figures say. Mortgage defaults are close to rock bottom. Sounds like you are mixing with some people who are going against the grain.
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A typical neo liberal approach to cloud the waters and knowingly doing so. One ponders why you are so keen on big end tax abuse when you are a little person yourself? I think Marx called it a 'false sense of own consciousness ' or words to that affect, which sounds remarkable apt considering the situation.
What is the big end of town? According to Bull Shorten I am in it. What is your opinion. Are we still at the top 60%?

I am never for tax evasion. The rules are there for people to follow to pay for the services of Australia.

What I can't stand is people like you and Bull Shorten who make up hype and crap about the big end of town and tax evasion and/or avoidance without the capability to produce and fact on the subject. All you need to do is name and shame a few individuals who are flouting the laws. Pretty simple.
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