Election
#151
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Re: Election
I realise self interest dictates your posts with a Coalition government more in line with your bread and butter issues.
#152
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Voters who have the slightest consideration to the big picture along with something termed a memory, would recall very well the antics of the past, the non disclosure by Abbot in the election several years back, which attempted to impose a radical neo liberal agenda on the country, but like I have 'informed you' countless times, a progressive agenda with disclosure of intent will always lay itself open to external attack. While the Lib's declare no policy but put the fear in ordinary folk.
I realise self interest dictates your posts with a Coalition government more in line with your bread and butter issues.
I realise self interest dictates your posts with a Coalition government more in line with your bread and butter issues.
You keep pedaling out the no policy agenda. Another loony left lie? Yes indeed. https://www.liberal.org.au/our-policies
#153
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I think you have got yourself a little confused there. Abbott is not Neo (new) Liberal. Abbot is old hard right. An agenda (progressive is highly debatable) that is not properly considered always opens itself up for attack. Hence your team lost.
You keep pedaling out the no policy agenda. Another loony left lie? Yes indeed. https://www.liberal.org.au/our-policies
You keep pedaling out the no policy agenda. Another loony left lie? Yes indeed. https://www.liberal.org.au/our-policies
I don't peddle anything. Little in the way of policy was released from the Coalition camp outside of attempts to buy votes and create fear. I do hope what you term The Left has learnt a little from this election. If only don't leave your flank unprotected and open and be left defending position taking away the focus from the opposition and lack of policy.
#154
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Anyway what's done is done. There will be a lot of losers forming along the way. Never mind at least only three years in Australia and not five as in UK and much of Europe to get a new broom in and attempt to repair at least some of the damage.
#155
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Nothing remotely debatable in terms of what is and what isn't progressive politics. The confusion does not lay or my part. Abbott followed a neo liberal policy to which Morrison will take over the baton with ever likelihood sadly, of implementing that agenda. I don't have a 'team' as you like to suggest. I do possess the ability though to see with clarity the direction will likely take when the undisclosed policy is released on a largely unsuspecting public (though the waning lights were there) but alas narrow self interest appears to have been the guiding factor in enough voters combined with a large spoonful of fear to win the day for the coalition. If you don't know what the neo liberal agenda is or understand that while Abbott was Right wing, he indeed supported the implementation of such an economic agenda.
I don't peddle anything. Little in the way of policy was released from the Coalition camp outside of attempts to buy votes and create fear. I do hope what you term The Left has learnt a little from this election. If only don't leave your flank unprotected and open and be left defending position taking away the focus from the opposition and lack of policy.
I don't peddle anything. Little in the way of policy was released from the Coalition camp outside of attempts to buy votes and create fear. I do hope what you term The Left has learnt a little from this election. If only don't leave your flank unprotected and open and be left defending position taking away the focus from the opposition and lack of policy.
#156
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Certainly bringing the housing fiasco under some sort of attempted control has more than a little flesh to it. I'd like it explained to me just how the release of ever more credit in a country with close to the highest personal debt in the world, stagnant wages, rising prices and more stimulus on top of that in the form of probable lower interest rates, lower dollar combined with tax payer stimulation package for the housing industry is going to end well?
#157
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One thing this election was NOT based on that was ideals. If altruistic considerations were indeed a consideration the ALP would have likely romped home. No it was based on hard cold perceived self interest and fear with a large wallop of apathy from a number of voters. perhaps in part a result of the compulsory voting system in Australia?
Certainly bringing the housing fiasco under some sort of attempted control has more than a little flesh to it. I'd like it explained to me just how the release of ever more credit in a country with close to the highest personal debt in the world, stagnant wages, rising prices and more stimulus on top of that in the form of probable lower interest rates, lower dollar combined with tax payer stimulation package for the housing industry is going to end well?
Certainly bringing the housing fiasco under some sort of attempted control has more than a little flesh to it. I'd like it explained to me just how the release of ever more credit in a country with close to the highest personal debt in the world, stagnant wages, rising prices and more stimulus on top of that in the form of probable lower interest rates, lower dollar combined with tax payer stimulation package for the housing industry is going to end well?
The middle and top where fearful of paying more tax. They were fearful the damage of the reckless implementations of NG wind back would bring, not just on to property prices, but all other aspects of the economy.
These policies were real.
Mediscare was fake news.
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Not for brokers, real estate industry , banks , those topping up on franking credits, big end of town and accountability , the well heeled and accountants profiting from such policy.
#160
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Fear - so what.
The middle and top where fearful of paying more tax. They were fearful the damage of the reckless implementations of NG wind back would bring, not just on to property prices, but all other aspects of the economy.
These policies were real.
Mediscare was fake news.
The middle and top where fearful of paying more tax. They were fearful the damage of the reckless implementations of NG wind back would bring, not just on to property prices, but all other aspects of the economy.
These policies were real.
Mediscare was fake news.
The ALP had many of the right policies but fear and ignorance and apathy ruled the day.
Mediscare what you 'self interested' Coalition rusted on supporters attempt to pass off was and is very real. The cost even with private insurance is considerable for many interventions and operations which can only be anticipated to grow ever larger.
No policy but just wait until the populace get a sniff of what's coming up. With The Greens have the numbers in Senate to arrest what's coming? Hopefully. Whatever a growing divide ahead and the likelihood of a far more uglier and less pleasant place to be.
#161
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No the pie will grow ever smaller as the top tank up the profits and middle class dragged in both directions. NG implications as well you know were exaggerated to the extreme and is an unaffordable 'entitlement' at the cost of an ever declining social care system. Be that aged care, disability, hospitals and so on.
The ALP had many of the right policies but fear and ignorance and apathy ruled the day.
Mediscare what you 'self interested' Coalition rusted on supporters attempt to pass off was and is very real. The cost even with private insurance is considerable for many interventions and operations which can only be anticipated to grow ever larger.
No policy but just wait until the populace get a sniff of what's coming up. With The Greens have the numbers in Senate to arrest what's coming? Hopefully. Whatever a growing divide ahead and the likelihood of a far more uglier and less pleasant place to be.
The ALP had many of the right policies but fear and ignorance and apathy ruled the day.
Mediscare what you 'self interested' Coalition rusted on supporters attempt to pass off was and is very real. The cost even with private insurance is considerable for many interventions and operations which can only be anticipated to grow ever larger.
No policy but just wait until the populace get a sniff of what's coming up. With The Greens have the numbers in Senate to arrest what's coming? Hopefully. Whatever a growing divide ahead and the likelihood of a far more uglier and less pleasant place to be.
#162
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An actual figure would be good - Billy reckoned it was mid-$100k's
#164
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Well a good starter would be no tax for earners under or up $25,000. Silly attempting to pin a figure of the exact amount until an idea of gross amounts are accounted for, Not net amounts which can of course allow a multi millionaire to claim tax levels claiming a workers income.
#165
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Well a good starter would be no tax for earners under or up $25,000. Silly attempting to pin a figure of the exact amount until an idea of gross amounts are accounted for, Not net amounts which can of course allow a multi millionaire to claim tax levels claiming a workers income.
I'm currently working in the project office of one of the major mining companies (contracting to one of the main EPCM's). If we use Billy's figure for defining the 'top end of town', then over 90% of the people working here will be 'fat cats', despite the fact that most are normal working people who have trained and studied, have lot's of experience and are on the right side of the supply/demand equation for labour. People who have worked hard and maybe have had a bit of luck and are just trying to earn a crust, better themselves, provide for their families and want to live in relative comfort and prosperity. But to you and Billy, these workers are the enemy and that their greed and indifference is helping to suppress the downtrodden masses. Bizarre i know but there it is. Fortunately for me, the country and even you, the Australian people just voted otherwise