Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
Aug 16th 2017, 10:38 am
#122
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
So if you had decided to go into politics, you wouldn't have read all the rules and regulations and seen what you can and can't do?
Aug 16th 2017, 11:37 am
#123
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
For heavens sake, most people don't know the difference between a passport and citizenship.
Aug 16th 2017, 11:39 am
#124
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
That's exactly the point I was making when Beoz told me to "get real". Seems pretty real to me. Its nothing less than negligent not to look into it when it is a requirement for the job.
Aug 16th 2017, 11:41 am
#125
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
Yep I would have read the rules and if I had not activily sought citizenship the last thing I would assume is that some country would have given it to me, without being a willing participant.
For heavens sake, most people don't know the difference between a passport and citizenship.
For heavens sake, most people don't know the difference between a passport and citizenship.
Aug 16th 2017, 12:14 pm
#130
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
When dealing with my own visas and citizenship I have used registered agents and the official websites as the definitive source of information and you'll often see me recommending that on here for others.
That aside, I stand by what I said - I would have serious doubts about any MP who did not understand the difference between citizenship and a passport.
Aug 16th 2017, 12:23 pm
#131
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
Macro economics 101
Aug 16th 2017, 12:25 pm
#132
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
No, I said the opposite of that. Joyce's father would not have received Australian citizenship in 1949 as he had not resided in Australia long enough to be eligible. He would have only been eligible for NZ citizenship. In order to became an Australian citizen he would have needed to apply for naturalisation.
Except it's a widely publicised legal requirement in order to became an MP or senator. As you say, you didn't bother to find out for sure until you needed to. If you wanted to run for Parliament it's a reasonable assumption you would have done the same.
It's hardly an obscure situation given his father was born in NZ. Joyce has just been lazy and, unlike Iran, NZ does let its citizens renounce.
Except it's a widely publicised legal requirement in order to became an MP or senator. As you say, you didn't bother to find out for sure until you needed to. If you wanted to run for Parliament it's a reasonable assumption you would have done the same.
It's hardly an obscure situation given his father was born in NZ. Joyce has just been lazy and, unlike Iran, NZ does let its citizens renounce.
Meanwhile, did Barnaby register?
New Zealand citizenship by descent
The following persons born or adopted outside New Zealand qualify to become New Zealand citizens by descent:
1. those between 1949 and 1977 with a father who is a New Zealand citizen otherwise than by descent at the time of birth or the final adoption order
2. those on or after 1 January 1978 with a parent who is a New Zealand citizen otherwise than by descent at the time of birth or the final adoption order
3. those born on or after 1 January 1978 with a parent who is a New Zealand citizen by descent at the time of birth or the final adoption order who would otherwise be stateless
In order to claim their New Zealand citizenship, these people must register their citizenship by descent at the Citizenship Office.
Aug 16th 2017, 12:31 pm
#133
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
Penny Wong also claims the same. No evidence produced.
If both are telling the truth then they understood what they were signing ..... right?
Aug 16th 2017, 12:51 pm
#134
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
If you were born overseas and at least 1 of your parents is a New Zealand citizen by birth or grant, you are an NZ citizen by descent. To get yourself an NZ passport, you need to register your citizenship. You can order a passport at the same time by ticking a box on the form.
Aug 16th 2017, 12:58 pm
#135
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Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
Directly from the NZ website https://www.govt.nz/browse/nz-passpo...u-need-to-know :
As has been pointed out numerous times, including by the NZ PM, if you are a citizen by descent, they you are. Registering it just means you are in the records and can get a passport. It doesn't change your status.
As has been pointed out numerous times, including by the NZ PM, if you are a citizen by descent, they you are. Registering it just means you are in the records and can get a passport. It doesn't change your status.
You believe the NZ PM? I thought you didn't believe politicians? Only when it suits hey?
This high court thing should be fun. Pouring over Australian and New Zealand law. Can't wait. Its just like Oscar Pistorius all over again.