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Beoz Aug 18th 2017 4:38 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12319314)
Sigh, no.

It really is complicated, I've spent some time looking through the laws, what with Cyprus being a colony and laws changing a few times. Personally I think he's going to be found to a dual citizen, but it's a whole other class of complexity to Mr 5-Min-Check Joyce.

Yeah Joyce is real simple when his father was a British subject an all. (His father was NEVER a kiwi by his own undertaking)

Suit your own agenda again

morpeth Aug 18th 2017 1:07 pm

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 12319298)
But you can't discriminate and say its OK to be a citizen of the UK, and not of - for instance - Spain, or India, or Russia, can you.

I could but then just common sense thee is a huge difference between Britain/Canada compared to India or Russia in terms of affinity and alliance with NZ.

BritInParis Aug 18th 2017 10:47 pm

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12319268)
Plenty to pour over in points 2 and 3.

That or it actually confirms what has already been said repeatedly.


Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12319320)
Yeah Joyce is real simple when his father was a British subject an all. (His father was NEVER a kiwi by his own undertaking)

Suit your own agenda again

Sigh. Everyone living in the British Empire was a British subject until 1949 and then they weren't. Unless he naturalised as an Australian citizen Joyce's father has only ever been a Kiwi since. Just because he left New Zealand two years prior didn't magically place him in some kind of citizenship stasis. To cap it all off the NZ government has already confirmed Joyce is a NZ citizen so I'm not really sure why you're still trying to argue the toss.

spouse of scouse Aug 18th 2017 11:55 pm

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12320008)
I'm not really sure why you're still trying to argue the toss.

To parody a quite amusing TV advertisement - it's a fing. It's a Beoz fing.

GarryP Aug 19th 2017 12:59 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12320056)
To parody a quite amusing TV advertisement - it's a fing. It's a Beoz fing.

It shows how much I don't watch Australian commercial TV that I have no idea what that advert is.

Dobby is FREEEEEEEE !!!!

Beoz Aug 19th 2017 2:15 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12320008)
That or it actually confirms what has already been said repeatedly.



Sigh. Everyone living in the British Empire was a British subject until 1949 and then they weren't. Unless he naturalised as an Australian citizen Joyce's father has only ever been a Kiwi since. Just because he left New Zealand two years prior didn't magically place him in some kind of citizenship stasis. To cap it all off the NZ government has already confirmed Joyce is a NZ citizen so I'm not really sure why you're still trying to argue the toss.

Errrrrr. Difference argument sport. Is this all you have? Perhaps focus on whether one citizenship was more complex than the other.

Beoz Aug 19th 2017 2:17 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12320056)
To parody a quite amusing TV advertisement - it's a fing. It's a Beoz fing.

Sigh (This sigh thing really works) See above.

GarryP Aug 19th 2017 3:21 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12319314)
Sigh, no.

It really is complicated, I've spent some time looking through the laws, what with Cyprus being a colony and laws changing a few times. Personally I think he's going to be found to a dual citizen, but it's a whole other class of complexity to Mr 5-Min-Check Joyce.

Word has come in, and he IS a dual citizen, via the "British Overseas Citizen" ruleset that I was trying to figure out (yes it is complicated).

Nick Xenophon confirmed as dual citizen of the United Kingdom

And he's refusing to step aside. Another one with wonky ethics.

Beoz Aug 19th 2017 6:24 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12320143)
Word has come in, and he IS a dual citizen, via the "British Overseas Citizen" ruleset that I was trying to figure out (yes it is complicated).

Nick Xenophon confirmed as dual citizen of the United Kingdom

And he's refusing to step aside. Another one with wonky ethics.

I suspect he will be fine. He has already renounced one citizenship in the past and this will demonstrate efforts to abide by section 44.

Amazulu Aug 19th 2017 6:38 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 
This law is an ass

Beoz Aug 19th 2017 7:01 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12320182)
This law is an ass

Can you imagine the amount of time Labor MP's and their staff are pouring over the family tree's of anyone who is not Labor, foreign citizenship laws, trying to create a stitch up? These Labor wasters should but hung for wasting our money.

old.sparkles Aug 19th 2017 7:23 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12320192)
Can you imagine the amount of time Labor MP's and their staff are pouring over the family tree's of anyone who is not Labor, foreign citizenship laws, trying to create a stitch up? These Labor wasters should but hung for wasting our money.

On the other hand, shouldn't we expect our politician's to be competent. If they are asked to sign that they do not have any other citizenships, or claims to one, is it too much to ask that they take 5 minutes to check. In most of the cases so far, that would have been all it took.

Additionally, it would be interesting to know that having 'discovered' they are dual citizens, how many have taken steps to now renounce that second citizenship.

All of the political parties should have processes in place to ensure that members remain within this law, and all laws really. Everyone is fed up with self serving politicians on all sides.

spouse of scouse Aug 19th 2017 7:54 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12320088)
It shows how much I don't watch Australian commercial TV that I have no idea what that advert is.

Dobby is FREEEEEEEE !!!!

It (the ad) is a Sky favourite at half-time. Scouse watches the football, I only watch this advert :lol: I live in the UK.

spouse of scouse Aug 19th 2017 7:55 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12320200)
Everyone is fed up with self serving politicians on all sides.

Count me in with the everyone :thumbup:

old.sparkles Aug 19th 2017 7:58 am

Re: Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12320215)
Count me in with the everyone :thumbup:

Thanks SoS :)

(It was a bit of a generalisation wasn't it - oops )


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