Dual Citizenship A Barrier ?
#16
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For all he needs them, they need him.
Thus I think it will go on in this shuffling of the deckchairs, doing nothing positive vein for a few years yet.
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Yeah, and the key thing is he didn't release it when there were all the questions and freedom of information requests going around. In fact he only got that letter after the Prince Philip knighthood thing was happening and he was already on his way out with knives in his back.
So why is he releasing it now, and not back when their were some big questions floating around? Why unforced now, when there were many calls then.
And if the greens had behaved as Abbott did and ignored the questions, they'd still be sitting in parliament.
Frankly if citizenship is questioned then any MP should need to substantiate their eligibility within weeks - not have it rely on them being trustworthy and telling the truth - since not all are as honest as the greens have been.
So why is he releasing it now, and not back when their were some big questions floating around? Why unforced now, when there were many calls then.
And if the greens had behaved as Abbott did and ignored the questions, they'd still be sitting in parliament.
Frankly if citizenship is questioned then any MP should need to substantiate their eligibility within weeks - not have it rely on them being trustworthy and telling the truth - since not all are as honest as the greens have been.
Tony is learning about the media. Why pop your head above the parapet when there is no need? Now he's taking any opportunity to get media attention. He saved it up for when its needed.
Just like your mate Bill Shorten does.
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At the moment, the only bad press is TA, everything else looks rosey. That's gotta be a good thing for all, not just a few.
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Actually, no. Confirming something they already have evidence of, particularly when politically key, is something they can do within weeks.
However, there is another wrinkle. To renounce citizenship you need to apply, pay money, and then the government departments that are involved have to go through a process to check that it's in good faith, that there's no pressure, etc. - before they accept that and formerly consider that citizenship renounced. Then you get a ‘declaration of renunciation’ which is the formal paperwork.
However, abbott is pointing to a later letter confirming status, not this ‘declaration of renunciation’. So the suggestion that is being made is that he applied on the date stated in the letter, but that the formal ‘declaration of renunciation’ has a date after he stood in the byelection - and that's why you aren't seeing the actual certificate from him.
Nobody is sure, and Abbott has done his damage already so the point is moot - but to say this was somehow some 43 dimensional chess from Abbott is stretching things to Trumpian proportions - he's demonstrably not that smart.
However, there is another wrinkle. To renounce citizenship you need to apply, pay money, and then the government departments that are involved have to go through a process to check that it's in good faith, that there's no pressure, etc. - before they accept that and formerly consider that citizenship renounced. Then you get a ‘declaration of renunciation’ which is the formal paperwork.
However, abbott is pointing to a later letter confirming status, not this ‘declaration of renunciation’. So the suggestion that is being made is that he applied on the date stated in the letter, but that the formal ‘declaration of renunciation’ has a date after he stood in the byelection - and that's why you aren't seeing the actual certificate from him.
Nobody is sure, and Abbott has done his damage already so the point is moot - but to say this was somehow some 43 dimensional chess from Abbott is stretching things to Trumpian proportions - he's demonstrably not that smart.
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Actually, no. Confirming something they already have evidence of, particularly when politically key, is something they can do within weeks.
However, there is another wrinkle. To renounce citizenship you need to apply, pay money, and then the government departments that are involved have to go through a process to check that it's in good faith, that there's no pressure, etc. - before they accept that and formerly consider that citizenship renounced. Then you get a ‘declaration of renunciation’ which is the formal paperwork.
However, abbott is pointing to a later letter confirming status, not this ‘declaration of renunciation’. So the suggestion that is being made is that he applied on the date stated in the letter, but that the formal ‘declaration of renunciation’ has a date after he stood in the byelection - and that's why you aren't seeing the actual certificate from him.
Nobody is sure, and Abbott has done his damage already so the point is moot - but to say this was somehow some 43 dimensional chess from Abbott is stretching things to Trumpian proportions - he's demonstrably not that smart.
However, there is another wrinkle. To renounce citizenship you need to apply, pay money, and then the government departments that are involved have to go through a process to check that it's in good faith, that there's no pressure, etc. - before they accept that and formerly consider that citizenship renounced. Then you get a ‘declaration of renunciation’ which is the formal paperwork.
However, abbott is pointing to a later letter confirming status, not this ‘declaration of renunciation’. So the suggestion that is being made is that he applied on the date stated in the letter, but that the formal ‘declaration of renunciation’ has a date after he stood in the byelection - and that's why you aren't seeing the actual certificate from him.
Nobody is sure, and Abbott has done his damage already so the point is moot - but to say this was somehow some 43 dimensional chess from Abbott is stretching things to Trumpian proportions - he's demonstrably not that smart.
Abbotts go at seat winning was in 1994 when he won Liberal preselection for the federal Division of Warringah.
I am sure you will find some dirt somewhere if you keep looking.
#21
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I think the letter is pretty clear. 12 October 1993 was when his British Citizenship was renounced.
Abbotts go at seat winning was in 1994 when he won Liberal preselection for the federal Division of Warringah.
I am sure you will find some dirt somewhere if you keep looking.
Abbotts go at seat winning was in 1994 when he won Liberal preselection for the federal Division of Warringah.
I am sure you will find some dirt somewhere if you keep looking.
This was always the point - the timeline was tight for him to have renounced in time of a snap byelection end Jan 1994 - even with some advance knowledge.
And the time to have checked was back in 1994, before he could go on to do the damage he has.
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Problem with that is he still needed his British Citizenship earlier in 1993. So for the reading of it to be your way around he would need to have started to revoke his UK Citizenship when he still needed it, and when there was no byelection in the offing. Which for someone who didn't bother with Australia Citizenship until he needed it to get the Rhodes scholarship, is more than a bit sus.
This was always the point - the timeline was tight for him to have renounced in time of a snap byelection end Jan 1994 - even with some advance knowledge.
And the time to have checked was back in 1994, before he could go on to do the damage he has.
This was always the point - the timeline was tight for him to have renounced in time of a snap byelection end Jan 1994 - even with some advance knowledge.
And the time to have checked was back in 1994, before he could go on to do the damage he has.
I bet the reason you have it in for him is because he has big ears or is religious which would be no surprise considering how bigoted left wingers are.
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Post 21 you say "sus". Suspect?
"Suspect - To have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof."
Care to continue?
#25
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Problem with that is he still needed his British Citizenship earlier in 1993. So for the reading of it to be your way around he would need to have started to revoke his UK Citizenship when he still needed it, and when there was no byelection in the offing. Which for someone who didn't bother with Australia Citizenship until he needed it to get the Rhodes scholarship, is more than a bit sus.
This was always the point - the timeline was tight for him to have renounced in time of a snap byelection end Jan 1994 - even with some advance knowledge.
And the time to have checked was back in 1994, before he could go on to do the damage he has.
This was always the point - the timeline was tight for him to have renounced in time of a snap byelection end Jan 1994 - even with some advance knowledge.
And the time to have checked was back in 1994, before he could go on to do the damage he has.
So what if he only got his Australian citizenship so that he could become a Rhodes Scholar? We've all do what we've got to do and as long as we do it within the law, who gives a shit. His issue not your's or mine
Australia would have been a better place if he's managed to stay in power (after the hateful, destructive and wasteful socialist Rudd, Gillard, Rudd governments) but unfortunately, too many Australian voters want to believe in fairy tales rather than face reality
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She's intelligent, articulate, approachable (I've met her) - popular too
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BS is now telling us that on the back of Jeremy Corbyn's rise from 0 out of 10 to 3 out of 10 that he is going to go after rising inequality. (Which its not). Ok BS here's is what you should do. Help everyone by getting those who don't help themselves to help others. Benefit a lot, rather than a few. The scary part is, this sneaky liar will get some support from the me me me's
#29
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You are a sick, sick man ....
That sub-Thatcher clone, with the affected glare at anyone that might disagree with her? The complete lack of a clue or strategic vision. If you want services like that there are places around that will oblige you (for a fee). Thatcher herself should be enough evidence that you don't want someone like that anywhere near power; and she had a brain.
Shudder.
That sub-Thatcher clone, with the affected glare at anyone that might disagree with her? The complete lack of a clue or strategic vision. If you want services like that there are places around that will oblige you (for a fee). Thatcher herself should be enough evidence that you don't want someone like that anywhere near power; and she had a brain.
Shudder.
#30
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You are a sick, sick man ....
That sub-Thatcher clone, with the affected glare at anyone that might disagree with her? The complete lack of a clue or strategic vision. If you want services like that there are places around that will oblige you (for a fee). Thatcher herself should be enough evidence that you don't want someone like that anywhere near power; and she had a brain.
Shudder.
That sub-Thatcher clone, with the affected glare at anyone that might disagree with her? The complete lack of a clue or strategic vision. If you want services like that there are places around that will oblige you (for a fee). Thatcher herself should be enough evidence that you don't want someone like that anywhere near power; and she had a brain.
Shudder.