View Poll Results: Do you smoke? (anonymous poll)
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8
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Do You Smoke?
Jan 24th 2012, 1:31 am
#46
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
These studies are great. The Ottawa one was a huge, in depth study of 12 bars over a couple of hours. It's conclusion was..... wait for it....
"It is possible to be exposed to SHS on patios, even under windy conditions"
"It is possible to be exposed to SHS on patios, even under windy conditions"
If you're going to argue Creature, at least be logical. Your reasoning, is at best, flawed.
Jan 24th 2012, 1:31 am
#47
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by bcworld
http://fsid.org.uk/document.doc?id=97
Over 300 babies still die every year as cot deaths in the UK
That's about 3 times your Aus number isn't it?
Over 300 babies still die every year as cot deaths in the UK
That's about 3 times your Aus number isn't it?
In the last two min I've found numbers for Australia that range from 80 to 300+. Looks like you can pick any number you fancy for either country..... none of which means squat in reality.
Jan 24th 2012, 1:36 am
#48
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
And therefore, given that SHS has proven negative benefits, it would be wise to avoid it.
If you're going to argue Creature, at least be logical. Your reasoning, is at best, flawed.
If you're going to argue Creature, at least be logical. Your reasoning, is at best, flawed.
How much is my chance of contracting lung cancer increased by, if I sit across an open air bar, from somebody having a cig? Somewhere between zero and infinitesimally small?
Jan 24th 2012, 1:40 am
#49
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by bcworld
Of course it is. It's no different to inhaling any other tiny particle coated in carcinogens which enters the lung but can't ever come out again.
The same goes for inhaling a cloud of diesel exhaust emissions of course. This is when you get into arguments about people's 'rights' to do something. Drive vs smoking etc.
The same goes for inhaling a cloud of diesel exhaust emissions of course. This is when you get into arguments about people's 'rights' to do something. Drive vs smoking etc.
Jan 24th 2012, 1:41 am
#50
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
I can come up with countless things that it's "wise to avoid". The level of risk involved is, or at least should be, the driving factor.
How much is my chance of contracting lung cancer increased by, if I sit across an open air bar, from somebody having a cig? Somewhere between zero and infinitesimally small?
How much is my chance of contracting lung cancer increased by, if I sit across an open air bar, from somebody having a cig? Somewhere between zero and infinitesimally small?
Jan 24th 2012, 1:44 am
#51
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
The supposed 'risks' from passive smoking are massively overplayed.
Through no choice of my own I had to spend 6 months researching this.
I was the one in the lab coat chucking human lungs in a blender then boiling them in sodium hydroxide for 2 days. Took a while before I was able to make spag bol again!
Jan 24th 2012, 1:48 am
#52
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
How much is my chance of contracting lung cancer increased by, if I sit across an open air bar, from somebody having a cig? Somewhere between zero and infinitesimally small?
How often you do it.
Your predisposition to having lung cancer.
How much you inhale.
I like my air as clean as I can get it.
Jan 24th 2012, 1:54 am
#53
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by bcworld
I disagree.
Through no choice of my own I had to spend 6 months researching this.
I was the one in the lab coat chucking human lungs in a blender then boiling them in sodium hydroxide for 2 days. Took a while before I was able to make spag bol again!
Through no choice of my own I had to spend 6 months researching this.
I was the one in the lab coat chucking human lungs in a blender then boiling them in sodium hydroxide for 2 days. Took a while before I was able to make spag bol again!
Jan 24th 2012, 1:58 am
#54
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
This is dependent on several factors.
How often you do it.
Your predisposition to having lung cancer.
How much you inhale.
I like my air as clean as I can get it.
How often you do it.
Your predisposition to having lung cancer.
How much you inhale.
I like my air as clean as I can get it.
Jan 24th 2012, 2:10 am
#56
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by CelticRover
http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057.abstract
That's a study of nearly 120,000 people.... not just two blokes in a bar.
Jan 24th 2012, 2:26 am
#57
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Well if we are going to set off just chucking links at one another....
http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057.abstract
That's a study of nearly 120,000 people.... not just two blokes in a bar.
http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057.abstract
That's a study of nearly 120,000 people.... not just two blokes in a bar.
Jus' sayin...not sayin it's bad research...jus' sayin.
Jan 24th 2012, 2:26 am
#58
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Even if you completely discount the health issues not being in the pocket of Big Tobacco is a large motivator for not doing it.
That and being addicted to anything is bad. And the costs. For no benefit (it don't relax you, it doesn't keep you thin, it does nothing a smoker says it does).
I'm not going to go all righteous ex-smoker on yo ass, I understand why people do it and how they justify it.
I was that soldier. 20 years of it.
The "Would you encourage your kids/partner/mother to smoke?" question is one worth pondering. Let's be honest, nobody would and the vast majority of smokers would like to go back to before they started.
To anyone interested and hasn't heard me bang on about it before, I read Allan Carr's "Easy Way To Stop Smoking". It don't preach it just removes the brainwashing.
If you don't want something you can't miss it. No willpower required.
Having said all that the government should make them illegal, stop collecting the tax or STFU with the nannying.
That and being addicted to anything is bad. And the costs. For no benefit (it don't relax you, it doesn't keep you thin, it does nothing a smoker says it does).
I'm not going to go all righteous ex-smoker on yo ass, I understand why people do it and how they justify it.
I was that soldier. 20 years of it.
The "Would you encourage your kids/partner/mother to smoke?" question is one worth pondering. Let's be honest, nobody would and the vast majority of smokers would like to go back to before they started.
To anyone interested and hasn't heard me bang on about it before, I read Allan Carr's "Easy Way To Stop Smoking". It don't preach it just removes the brainwashing.
If you don't want something you can't miss it. No willpower required.
Having said all that the government should make them illegal, stop collecting the tax or STFU with the nannying.
Jan 24th 2012, 2:30 am
#59
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by bcworld
Enstrom is a controversial figure who has accepted funding from the Philip Morris tobacco company and the Center for Indoor Air Research (a tobacco industry front group), and subsequently published research that contradicted scientific consensus about the health effects of secondhand tobacco smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke, or ETS.
Jus' sayin...not sayin it's bad research...jus' sayin.
Jus' sayin...not sayin it's bad research...jus' sayin.
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/19/1440.short
Jan 24th 2012, 2:32 am
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Re: Do You Smoke?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Of course he is.... I assume all these are as well?
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/19/1440.short
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/19/1440.short
