knockoff nige

It'll be 10 years on June 23rd this year that I gave up. Still have those dreams where I have a smoke and get really angry that I did. Then wake up and realise it was a dream and be delighted with myself for not having one.

Speaking of weird dreams, I dreamt last night that I was in parliament house and got up to share my views to Kevin Rudd. In my dream (not dreams) he was still PM. He said he'd be back in five minutes but never came back. Bastard.

TiddlyPom

The Occupational Health and Safety Act 2000, the Smoke-free Environment Regulation 2007 would disagree with you, doctor.
As would these studies...
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Irrelevant if you don't know whether their parents were smokers or not, surely?

But yeah. You're probably right.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Quote all the studies you want.

You will NEVER convince me, that walking past a smoker outside an office is bad for my health... and anybody who does think that is, is either deluded or has a vested interest... and probably both.

TiddlyPom

Like I said, you're probably right.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Rates of smoking in UK and Australia are comparable. If smoking is killing that many babies, then logic would dictate that the numbers for the UK, should be roughly three times those of Australia, based on population size.

It's actually a third. No chance that there are other, way, way, way, more important factors in play?

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Yes. I usually am.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

I picked one of the dafter looking studies in that list, number 10. It's ground breaking conclusion was....

"When individuals sit in outdoor dining venues where smokers are present it is possible that they will be exposed to substantial SHS levels"

So sit near a smoker and you might possibly get smoke in your eyes. Earth shattering.

bcworld

http://fsid.org.uk/document.doc?id=97


Over 300 babies still die every year as cot deaths in the UK

That's about 3 times your Aus number isn't it?

TiddlyPom

One of the dafter looking ones, so you could prove yourself right? Fabulous.

commonwealth

Smoking marijuana is apparently "healthier" than smoking cigarettes.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

These studies are great. The Ottawa one was a huge, in depth study of 12 bars over a couple of hours. It's conclusion was..... wait for it....

"It is possible to be exposed to SHS on patios, even under windy conditions"

TiddlyPom

Not if you have a predisposition to mental illness.

I guess smoking anything would be healthier than putting cigarette crap into your lungs.

bcworld

The less refined the tobacco product is, genereally the less harmful it is.

Cigarette tobacco is mixed with all manner of crap...many of the compounds added are more harmful than the tobacco leaf itself. This is why 'low tar' cigarettes are a complete waste of space...the tar is replaced with even more harmful compounds...but the marketing makes smokers feel better about it so it's effective on that front.

Marijuana and cigars are generally 'less bad' than packaged fags (sorry I couldn't help it!).

Jan4kids

My Mum smoked throughout her pregnancy with me in the late 60's I was born 6 weeks early and am lucky to be here.

I was a passive smoker up until the age of 14 , where I chose to live pretty much in my bedroom instead of being downstairs in the fog all the time. I also spent alot of time in pubs whilst growing up...and then in pubs under my own steam from 15 onwards.....again in a fog.

I beleive that passive smoking is bad, how can it not be?

I will seriously cry if my kids start smoking

Edit: But having said all that I LOVE the smell of a newly lit ciggarette....old associations die hard I expect? :0s

bcworld

Of course it is. It's no different to inhaling any other tiny particle coated in carcinogens which enters the lung but can't ever come out again.

The same goes for inhaling a cloud of diesel exhaust emissions of course. This is when you get into arguments about people's 'rights' to do something. Drive vs smoking etc.