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Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
For what it's worth, it sounds to me as if you are perfectly happy in Britain, and your main worry is a possible bad future for your children, who are currently very happy and at a good school. My gut instict whilst reading your post was that you should not make the move, because it is based on a hope for something better - but what you have now is not at all bad.
You mention that you 'hear' about lots of problems in Britain - well you will get exactly the same stuff in Australia. There are immigrants (you will be one, as others have pointed out), there are taxes, there is bullying at schools, there are dangerous roads, there is crappy public transport, a health system that is falling apart (depending on who you listen to). It is not perfect, and in many ways is not better than Britain, just different. I think you should consider very carefully whether it is worth uprooting your happy family from Britain on the gamble that it might be better in Australia. (Although I do also think that it should be your decision, not your teenager's. All teenagers hate their parents at some point!) I don't know what type of visa you have, but perhaps it would be possible to stay another few years in Britain and see how things go? You know that you have the option of Australia for at least another few years, because you already hold the visa - and even after that visa expires, it might be possible to get a new one. (I don't know, this is just a suggestion). Up to the age of about 16 it shouldn't affect their schooling too much to be moved, so there is no rush to make a decision now. Hope you find a solution you are all happy with! |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
As far as I'm aware if you have a PR visa, which entitles you to permanent residency, then that is what you are entitled to; permanent residency. It doesn't run out, ever. You have a limited time to take validate the visa, and a further number of years (two or four) depending on when you arrived to live here to qualify for citizenship, but there is no obligation to become a citizen. The issue for long-standing residents, who choose not to take citizenship, is re-entry into Oz after time away, a RRV (resident return visa?) would need to be applied for.
That's my understanding. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by Dolly Dimples
(Post 5858962)
However life in Britain is becoming more and more frustrating when you constantly hear that we are supporting immigrants that dont support themselves (and i'm not being racist here) but sadly it feels like we are 'free' loading everyone else. I think this along with a mixture of other bits and pieces makes you worry for your childrens future. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 5860902)
As far as I'm aware if you have a PR visa, which entitles you to permanent residency, then that is what you are entitled to; permanent residency. It doesn't run out, ever. You have a limited time to take validate the visa, and a further number of years (two or four) depending on when you arrived to live here to qualify for citizenship, but there is no obligation to become a citizen. The issue for long-standing residents, who choose not to take citizenship, is re-entry into Oz after time away, a RRV (resident return visa?) would need to be applied for.
That's my understanding. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Hi, there
I can identify with all you have put, you have not mentioned Hubby's and your profession. The way you have said you have travelled to OZ five times already and you have 2 children in public school, And working for yourselves. I would really think in to this a lot more, Unless you come over with a very lot of money. in wich hopefully you will buy your home out right,( please remember houses are now the same price as the u.k only more for your money, good area bad area scenario etc), and your car,s etc, Eventually when on the Oz dollar you will notice a big difference. Holiday,s will become a little bit more scarce, along with really nice clothes. You both will have to work full time. And in most cases more Hrs, This is not everybodys situation, but after talking with allot of Brits, they all say the same thing. :( We live like for like, and we are far worse off here. Dont get me wrong we love it here, the weather, the outback , the beach, the golf, But we do find it more of a struggle than the u.k. Financially. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 5860902)
As far as I'm aware if you have a PR visa, which entitles you to permanent residency, then that is what you are entitled to; permanent residency. It doesn't run out, ever. You have a limited time to take validate the visa, and a further number of years (two or four) depending on when you arrived to live here to qualify for citizenship, but there is no obligation to become a citizen. The issue for long-standing residents, who choose not to take citizenship, is re-entry into Oz after time away, a RRV (resident return visa?) would need to be applied for.
That's my understanding. Yes, that's right. The visa itself never expires but the RRV part of it only last for 5 years. :) |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 5860911)
DD....one of the good things about living in Australia is not being subjected to the constant streams of vile xenophobia aimed at immmigrants that the British tabloid press seems to specialise in. You can rest assured that the vast majority of immigrants to the UK, regardless of where they come from, contribute to the economy and pay their taxes. Many people will come to this site and rant about immigrants and the 'handouts' they receive. These people, as prospective immigrants into another country which has issues providing adequate infrastructure, affordable housing to its own citizens are hypocrites. Especially as you can bet your bottom $, they wont be turning down the first home buyers grant when they arrive on these shores...free money...wahey!!! :curse:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7215624.stm Simple straight forward statistic. Immigration impacting upon services. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 5861043)
Take your point. However this isn't xenophobia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7215624.stm Simple straight forward statistic. Immigration impacting upon services. As I said, immigrants also pay taxes.......they are entitled to use services. The fact in itself that governments, health authorities have not planned properly for an increasing birth rate is not a reason to flee the country for the sake of your children......you'll find plenty of bad news about the creaky Aus health system as well if you look. |
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Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 5861081)
You're right it is a straight forward statistic.....and its been raised on here before. Clearly as migration into a country increases the % of people born overseas increases. In Australia, approx 25% of people were born overseas...extrapolating it stands to reason that 25% of expectant mothers were probably born overseas here too. Where's the sensational story....I dont get it?.
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 5861081)
As I said, immigrants also pay taxes.......they are entitled to use services.
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 5861081)
The fact in itself that governments, health authorities have not planned properly for an increasing birth rate is not a reason to flee the country for the sake of your children......you'll find plenty of bad news about the creaky Aus health system as well if you look.
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You dont seem to state any reasons for wanting to live in Australia. it seems you are more concerned with how long you have to stay there before you can come back?
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Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 5861125)
It's not a sensational story, neither is it vile xenophobia, and its not being reported in the tabloid press.
Re paying taxes.....the mother herself may never have paid any......the father probably has, maybe not....but its all part of living in a society as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I'll never have kids....but I dont expect a tax rebate for paying for other people's maternity services / education....its all about the bigger picture. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
This whole issue of 'immigrants ruining the country' seems to come up a lot when people make 'get me out of here' posts. And every time I read such a post, I ask myself - how would this directly impact me? Because if there is no noticeable concrete impact on you and your family's lives - then it's not worth worrying about.
I mean, the history of the UK is one of mass immigration. Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Hugenots, Irish, Asians, West Indians and now, most recently, Eastern Europeans from Poland and Romania. We're the ultimate bastard race. And at the time of those mass immigrations, every one of them was met with distrust and hatred by the locals - remember that sign on the door of the lodging houses - 'No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs'? And yet *all* of those groups of people have made a huge contribution to the UK. They helped make it the prosperous country that it is now. In other words - if your primary concern and the main reason you wish to emigrate to Australia - is that your children will grow up to a society changed by mass immigration - then understand that they already do. |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by Hutch
(Post 5861236)
In other words - if your primary concern and the main reason you wish to emigrate to Australia - is that your children will grow up to a society changed by mass immigration - then understand that they already do.
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Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by Dolly Dimples
(Post 5858962)
Hi there, I'm new to this site and have found your posts very interesting. Have also posted this on another thread - wasnt sure what one to do it on.
We have a visa which we validated over a year ago and although permanent, we will have to start living in Oz by about May next year to secure the 2 year deal which allows us to become a citizen. For the past year havent thought too much about moving as business took off here, kids got into the grammar schools so life was good. However life in Britain is becoming more and more frustrating when you constantly hear that we are supporting immigrants that dont support themselves (and i'm not being racist here) but sadly it feels like we are 'free' loading everyone else. I think this along with a mixture of other bits and pieces makes you worry for your childrens future. My children are 11 and 13. We have been to Australia at least 5 times for holidays and my daughter (11yr old) would move out tomorrow. My son who is a much more homely person (13 yr old being a difficult age) is not keen at all, although he said he would be if he could take our horse out there. That i'm afraid would be almost impossible I think and possibly unfair. But it would really upset him and he could end up hating us. So, what the hell do we do. I know deep down it is a great opportunity and I personally dont think work will be a problem for me, not sure about hubby. The trouble is, if we dont go next year we will lose the visa and I doubt we will get it again now. I hat the thought of leaving my parents and sister and also my life long friends but I have to think about what the future holds for my children. If anyone that has been through this same dilemna and can advise, please can you. Thank you Denise |
Re: DO WE GO OR DO WE STAY?
Originally Posted by Hutch
(Post 5861236)
This whole issue of 'immigrants ruining the country' seems to come up a lot when people make 'get me out of here' posts. And every time I read such a post, I ask myself - how would this directly impact me? Because if there is no noticeable concrete impact on you and your family's lives - then it's not worth worrying about.
I mean, the history of the UK is one of mass immigration. Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Hugenots, Irish, Asians, West Indians and now, most recently, Eastern Europeans from Poland and Romania. We're the ultimate bastard race. And at the time of those mass immigrations, every one of them was met with distrust and hatred by the locals - remember that sign on the door of the lodging houses - 'No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs'? And yet *all* of those groups of people have made a huge contribution to the UK. They helped make it the prosperous country that it is now. In other words - if your primary concern and the main reason you wish to emigrate to Australia - is that your children will grow up to a society changed by mass immigration - then understand that they already do. |
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