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Bazza Boy Jul 21st 2008 1:25 am

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by Possums (Post 6592350)
Went to see it at the weekend, seemed to be a bit disjointed but really enjoyed it :thumbup: excellent cast, Ledger was disturbingly brilliant. I just love Gary Oldman in anything he does and thankfully Katie Holmes didnt make a reappearence.. bonus :lol:

what do others think? :)

I think you ought to get a life.

The film's irrelevant, no matter how good or bad it is. All box office records (and this thread) are only in existence because Ledger died.

Exact same thing happened with The Crow after Brandon Lee's death.

Another example of how media hype creates such a shallow public.

bigAPE Jul 21st 2008 9:46 am

Re: The Dark Knight
 
Ah, a Troll.. out for it's morning forage. Lets feed it a little breaky.


Originally Posted by Bazza Boy (Post 6594416)
I think you ought to get a life.

I think you ought to get some manners. Noone will feed you if you're being rude. ;)


Originally Posted by Bazza Boy (Post 6594416)
The film's irrelevant, no matter how good or bad it is. All box office records (and this thread) are only in existence because Ledger died.

Exact same thing happened with The Crow after Brandon Lee's death.

Another example of how media hype creates such a shallow public.

Brandon's death was followed by some media coverage but it hardly propelled The Crow to the same box office figures. Crow has made a gross of $55m since 1994, while the "irrelevant" Dark Knight has clocked up $195m globally in it's first weekend. I guess other high grossing films in the same genre (Batman Begins, Spiderman 3, et al) are also "irrelevant" ? Oh, but they didn't have a dead Heath Ledger in them so I guess it must have been some other random drivel that made them so popular in the media and at the box office. If you haven't seen the film, which you obviously haven't (as it's "irrelevant"), I don't see how you can comment.

The acting in the film, by a very talented young actor, is worth the respect it commands. Dismissing it as "irrelevant" is just nonsense.

Al

I_Will_Freckle Jul 21st 2008 1:49 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 
So do you like film then bigAPE?

moneypenny20 Jul 21st 2008 1:50 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by Bazza Boy (Post 6594416)
The film's irrelevant, no matter how good or bad it is. All box office records (and this thread) are only in existence because Ledger died.


Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 6595790)

The acting in the film, by a very talented young actor, is worth the respect it commands. Dismissing it as "irrelevant" is just nonsense.

Al

I've not seen the film and probably won't but BB has one point I kind of agree with. The opening weekend and following week would have been high grossing without a doubt because word was out that Heath Ledger was superb. However I don't believe the records would have been anywhere close to what they were, had he not died. I'm sure that once people had seen it and recommended it it would have gone on to be massive success though, just not so much initially.

Saying that, the rest of his post was unnecessary and IMO rude :D

TiddlyPom Jul 21st 2008 2:02 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by moneypen20 (Post 6596366)
I've not seen the film and probably won't but BB has one point I kind of agree with. The opening weekend and following week would have been high grossing without a doubt because word was out that Heath Ledger was superb. However I don't believe the records would have been anywhere close to what they were, had he not died. I'm sure that once people had seen it and recommended it it would have gone on to be massive success though, just not so much initially.

Saying that, the rest of his post was unnecessary and IMO rude :D

I think a film's opening is mainly down to the advertising hype. The Dark Knight has been hyped for about a year now with teaser trailers on at the movies for all that time... I think Heath's got something to do with it but the majority is down to the advertising spin.

It's only taken 4 million more than Spiderman 3 and that didn't have Heath in it, or indeed anyone I know of who died...

It's entirely possible that dead actors drag in a few people. Or maybe his high profile death has introduced more people to his work, so this raises the film profile more, perhaps.

But do not underestimate the amount of Batman fans out there... esp when a film portrays the original darkness of the comic books.
Big fan myself. :)

bigAPE Jul 21st 2008 2:33 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by I_Will_Freckle (Post 6596365)
So do you like film then bigAPE?

Yeah, I did actually. I thought they captured the essence of the Joker very well. The constant lying, the total disregard for human life, changing his life story with every conversation (e.g. the story of his scars changed with every telling in the comics and this was reflected well in the Dark Knight). Of course a lot of this was down to the writing and the adaptation of the mythology of the Joker and Harvey Dent from the original comics. The effects were excellent but I am biased in that a close friend of mine was an effects consultant on the project (couldn't work on it full time due to commitments on Hairy Potter).

I had read interviews with Ledger during the making of the film regarding how deeply he had prepared for the role, however his death wasn't a major contributing factor in my watching the film, I would have gone anyway.


Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 6596395)
I think a film's opening is mainly down to the advertising hype. The Dark Knight has been hyped for about a year now with teaser trailers on at the movies for all that time... I think Heath's got something to do with it but the majority is down to the advertising spin.

The opening box office take will almost always be down to hype, what major "blockbuster" film and cash cow isn't hyped these days ? However, I don't believe that it's down to Ledgers death. Remember he died well after post-production while he was actually making another film.

I think the real test will be the films longevity. How will the box office figures stack up globally after the first year, excluding merchandising/licensing revenue. Personally I believe the film has legs on the sell through market, even though it's not as family friendly a "WHAM BAM" type blockbuster like Iron Man or Transformers.


Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 6596395)
It's only taken 4 million more than Spiderman 3 and that didn't have Heath in it, or indeed anyone I know of who died...

Exactly and IMHO Dark Knight is a much better script and the execution is 20 times better.

Al

TiddlyPom Jul 21st 2008 2:35 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 
I am really looking forward to seeing it. :)

bigAPE Jul 21st 2008 2:42 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 6596461)
I am really looking forward to seeing it. :)

How much....

http://britishexpats.com/forum/custo...ar77626_19.gif

that much ? :rofl:

TiddlyPom Jul 21st 2008 3:07 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 6596478)

That would just about sum it up, yes.

:D

Possums Jul 21st 2008 5:54 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by Bazza Boy (Post 6594416)
I think you ought to get a life.

The film's irrelevant, no matter how good or bad it is. All box office records (and this thread) are only in existence because Ledger died.

Exact same thing happened with The Crow after Brandon Lee's death.

Another example of how media hype creates such a shallow public.

I do apologise, wont be one for you to burn then? :rofl:

Bazza Boy Jul 21st 2008 11:03 pm

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by Possums (Post 6596839)
I do apologise, wont be one for you to burn then? :rofl:

How's your Mum?

TiddlyPom Jul 22nd 2008 10:01 am

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by Bazza Boy (Post 6597703)
How's your Mum?

I saw it last night. Heath was spectacular. Audience gave him a smattering of applause after the film ended. Nice credit to him.

The film was bloody excellent but by god, nearly 3 hours. Saw the 9pm showing and was nearly asleep at the end. I just can't take it any more. :D

Too long.

bigAPE Jul 22nd 2008 10:24 am

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 6599838)
I saw it last night. Heath was spectacular. Audience gave him a smattering of applause after the film ended. Nice credit to him.

The film was bloody excellent but by god, nearly 3 hours. Saw the 9pm showing and was nearly asleep at the end. I just can't take it any more. :D

Too long.

Yeah my wife commented on the length, but if it was any shorter I don't think they would have captured the air of foreboding just right. It was a long film, but there was a lot of relevant plot in there.

The only pretty much irrelevant scene that I can think of was the bit in Hong Kong which I think was probably added to spice the stunt/effect count up a bit.

Al

fraser Jul 22nd 2008 10:42 am

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 6599882)
Yeah my wife commented on the length

:eek: Is that why you're called bigape

PS. Tell Gill her picture looks fantastic in my hall :)

TiddlyPom Jul 22nd 2008 10:59 am

Re: The Dark Knight
 

Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 6599882)
Yeah my wife commented on the length, but if it was any shorter I don't think they would have captured the air of foreboding just right. It was a long film, but there was a lot of relevant plot in there.

The only pretty much irrelevant scene that I can think of was the bit in Hong Kong which I think was probably added to spice the stunt/effect count up a bit.

Al

Yes, I agree with you. It was well edited. Excellent film though.


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