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Amazulu Nov 24th 2012 11:11 am

Danny Nightingale
 
The treatment of this man is nothing short of a disgrace. The double standards on show are breathtaking and the people responsible should be ashamed of themselves

The death of a warrior nation

DeadVim Nov 24th 2012 11:23 am

Re: Danny Nightingale
 
The DJ?

Is he another paedo?

I'm out of touch, clue me in.

Amazulu Nov 24th 2012 11:26 am

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Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 10399709)
The DJ?

Is he another paedo?

I'm out of touch, clue me in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-jailed.html

RedDragon2008 Nov 24th 2012 11:28 am

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-jailed.html

GarryP Nov 24th 2012 11:42 am

Re: Danny Nightingale
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10399702)
The treatment of this man is nothing short of a disgrace. The double standards on show are breathtaking and the people responsible should be ashamed of themselves

The death of a warrior nation

I might take the excuse for having the glock pistol more seriously if he didn't also have 300 rounds of ammunition.

The excuse sounds very dodgy to me.

Tim65 Nov 24th 2012 11:53 am

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Nothing short of a disgrace ,let's just give free hand outs to people who preach evil and jail a man who gave all for his country .

cresta57 Nov 24th 2012 12:00 pm

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 10399724)
I might take the excuse for having the glock pistol more seriously if he didn't also have 300 rounds of ammunition.

The excuse sounds very dodgy to me.

It's been bandied about since remembrance day.
There seems to be a lot of mitigating circumstances. Almost incredible that, given he didn't even pack up his own kit, he takes the blame for it being among said personal kit & still ends up with 18 months in the glass house.

rasen78 Nov 24th 2012 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 10399724)
I might take the excuse for having the glock pistol more seriously if he didn't also have 300 rounds of ammunition.

The excuse sounds very dodgy to me.

Not seen anything about the rounds of ammo:unsure:, but this quote seems strange to me

'The weapon was sent back from Iraq in 2007 after Sgt Nightingale left the country, and secured at the SAS’s headquarters before being moved to a house Sgt Nightingale briefly shared with another soldier.'

If it was secured at SAS HQ, how did it get removed? I would have thought they had VERY tight processes for tracking firearms:confused:

don544 Nov 24th 2012 12:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10399702)
The treatment of this man is nothing short of a disgrace. The double standards on show are breathtaking and the people responsible should be ashamed of themselves

The death of a warrior nation

plus one :thumbdown:

GarryP Nov 24th 2012 12:06 pm

Re: Danny Nightingale
 

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 10399744)
It's been bandied about since remembrance day.
There seems to be a lot of mitigating circumstances. Almost incredible that, given he didn't even pack up his own kit, he takes the blame for it being among said personal kit & still ends up with 18 months in the glass house.

But this stuff was shipped in 2009.

How, exactly, do you miss a Glock and 300 rounds of ammo in a squaddie's personal effects? For 3 years?

I'm thinking the court marshal might well have other info on this matter, like where and how this gun/ammo was shipped and stored, that might have made them think he knew full well that he had an illegal weapon in his possession.

moneypenny20 Nov 24th 2012 12:07 pm

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The whole thing stinks imo. Yes he messed up with how he went about taking the gun into the country but he's been perfectly honest and why 'they' have stitched him up with the sentence makes no sense.

eddie007 Nov 24th 2012 12:17 pm

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I understand that he left the country escorting his comrade home... His stuff was packed and sent On.. Held on a uk base for a period of time, then was reunited with him later.....

This case stinks! As does the criminal so called justice system.... It's no way to treat our Heros

quoll Nov 24th 2012 6:48 pm

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 10399724)
I might take the excuse for having the glock pistol more seriously if he didn't also have 300 rounds of ammunition.

The excuse sounds very dodgy to me.

Yup, my thoughts too! In fact, the sentence was apparently quite lenient for the severity of the offence. Could have been 5 years. I suspect, like everything else, there are two sides to this story as well.

Bernieboy Nov 24th 2012 7:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 10399702)
The treatment of this man is nothing short of a disgrace. The double standards on show are breathtaking and the people responsible should be ashamed of themselves

The death of a warrior nation

Not often i agree with you,in fact never;),but the sentence is a joke,this man deserves the respect of his nation.

Pollyana Nov 24th 2012 8:35 pm

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Its disgraceful. He didn't pack his gear up to come home, that was done for him as he'd already left, escorting dead comrades home. He has since been less than 100% mentally due (not surprisingly) to his experiences, hadn't even unpacked the gear since it was sent home for him so didn't realise the weapon was even in there.
Total miscarriage of justice, lets just hope he and his family have the strength to fight through an appeal :thumbdown:

mikelincs Nov 24th 2012 8:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10400154)
Its disgraceful. He didn't pack his gear up to come home, that was done for him as he'd already left, escorting dead comrades home. He has since been less than 100% mentally due (not surprisingly) to his experiences, hadn't even unpacked the gear since it was sent home for him so didn't realise the weapon was even in there.
Total miscarriage of justice, lets just hope he and his family have the strength to fight through an appeal :thumbdown:

Remember this was a MILITARY court, no jury and not necessarily subject to the normal checks and balances, not even a decision by the CPS. I suspect that had it been a civilian court the outcome would have been much different, but I believe the military do apply the letter of the law, and, although there were mitigating circumstances, they do seem not to have been applied. At least the appeal will be heard by the Lord Chief Justice and not the military. Reading further down the article, it also appears that members of the SAS have got it in for him, having launched a smear campaign against him accusing him of things that have been disproved. In a case dealt with by a civilian court a soldier who had 2 pistols and had stolen ammunition was given a fine only, because of his service to the country.

Pollyana Nov 24th 2012 8:59 pm

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 10400180)
Remember this was a MILITARY court, no jury and not necessarily subject to the normal checks and balances, not even a decision by the CPS. I suspect that had it been a civilian court the outcome would have been much different, but I believe the military do apply the letter of the law, and, although there were mitigating circumstances, they do seem not to have been applied. At least the appeal will be heard by the Lord Chief Justice and not the military. Reading further down the article, it also appears that members of the SAS have got it in for him, having launched a smear campaign against him accusing him of things that have been disproved. In a case dealt with by a civilian court a soldier who had 2 pistols and had stolen ammunition was given a fine only, because of his service to the country.

Doesn't matter that its a military court, its still a miscarriage of justice.

mikelincs Nov 24th 2012 9:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10400190)
Doesn't matter that its a military court, its still a miscarriage of justice.

I agree, all I was saying that, had it been a civilian court, then the outcome almost certainly would have been different, and possibly, given his medical history etc, there would never have been a prosecution in the first place. The CPS have to decide whether they think a prosecution would have a good chance of success, and, given the circumstances, they may have decided a prosecution as 'not in the public interest'.

Bernieboy Nov 24th 2012 9:09 pm

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More to this than meet's the eye,somebody def has it in for the fella,normally Special Forces close ranks and things 'disappear'.

mikelincs Nov 24th 2012 9:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Bernieboy (Post 10400200)
More to this than meet's the eye,somebody def has it in for the fella,normally Special Forces close ranks and things 'disappear'.

I agree, reading the article he was accused of appropriating items and money from a charity, there was an inquiry and he was cleared, there was an e mail smear campaign against him by some SAS members. Very unusual given how loyal they usually are to each other.

Pollyana Nov 29th 2012 4:13 am

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SAS Sergeant Danny Nightingale was dramatically freed today after winning an appeal against a conviction for his illegal possession of Glock 9mm war trophy.
Three judges suspended his sentence after a special hearing in the Court Martial Appeal Court today. The sniper's wife, Sally, who had said her husband didn't want "to get his hopes up", wept as the judges said he would be released immediately. After he walked free from the cells at the Royal Courts of Justice tonight, he hugged his wife and father in the main hall of the building as he wiped away tears.

Sgt Nightingale was sentenced to 18 months detention at the Colchester Military Corrective Training Centre after he pleaded guilty to possessing a pistol, given to him by Iraqi soldiers, and live ammunition, earlier this month.
But the Appeal judges, the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, Mr Justice Fulford and Mr Justice Bean, cut his sentence from 18 months to 12 months and suspended.

mikelincs Nov 29th 2012 5:11 am

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10408013)
SAS Sergeant Danny Nightingale was dramatically freed today after winning an appeal against a conviction for his illegal possession of Glock 9mm war trophy.
Three judges suspended his sentence after a special hearing in the Court Martial Appeal Court today. The sniper's wife, Sally, who had said her husband didn't want "to get his hopes up", wept as the judges said he would be released immediately. After he walked free from the cells at the Royal Courts of Justice tonight, he hugged his wife and father in the main hall of the building as he wiped away tears.

Sgt Nightingale was sentenced to 18 months detention at the Colchester Military Corrective Training Centre after he pleaded guilty to possessing a pistol, given to him by Iraqi soldiers, and live ammunition, earlier this month.
But the Appeal judges, the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, Mr Justice Fulford and Mr Justice Bean, cut his sentence from 18 months to 12 months and suspended.

I think that shows that the civilian system works far better, although it was a Court Martial Appeal Court it was held in a civilian court with civilian judges. At least it now seems like justice HAS been done

eddie007 Nov 29th 2012 8:30 am

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Bugger me... Some one delete my thread will yer?

Pollyana Mar 13th 2013 7:37 am

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An SAS sniper who was jailed for possessing a gun has had his conviction overturned at the Court of Appeal.

Sgt Danny Nightingale, from Crewe, admitted possessing a 9mm Glock pistol and 338 rounds of ammunition at a court martial in November.
He was sentenced to 18 months military detention which was reduced to a 12-month suspended sentence on appeal. Sgt Nightingale, who said he was given the gun as a present while serving in Iraq, will now face a retrial.

The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, Mr Justice Mackay and Mr Justice Sweeney were told by William Clegg QC, acting for Sgt Nightingale, that the soldier had been placed under "improper pressure" to plead guilty at the military trial.


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