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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12826109)
No. The government is taking advice from the many medical officers. It would be helpful for all if you stuck to the facts.
What do you mean its not medically debatable? The government medical officers say schools should remain open - Brendan Murphy is heading up a cast of them. If their advice is incorrect then please show the evidence. Fear mongering is dangerous. I am more than happy to see contrary evidence. We need to know if our medical officers are incorrect. I see Normanhurst Public School has 2 sick teachers. This could be the evidence to close down schools to it be proven the teachers got it from kids or kids passed it to teachers. Again the reports do not say. Yes I mentioned we need to be a little patient with the online learning - its all new for everyone. But at this point - I will just go with what's happened in Western Australia - the head of the AMA's WA branch says to close the schools. 10 prominent surgeons at a private hospital published a letter saying to close them, to go with a separate one that was sent to McGowan that was signed by 50. The head of the nurse's union says to close them. Etc etc etc. Plus the vast majority of other western countries have closed them and that was on their medical advice. So it is certainly not clear that "medical advice" says to keep them open. There are huge numbers of well-educated medical professionals who are saying the opposite and dissenting. So, OK. Let's publish it - Brendan Murphy's medical advice (not medical advice in general as just highlighted, it's contested) says to keep them open. OK, why are all these other medical professionals wrong? This is not the time for a "just trust me" moment, when his thesis is being hotly contested by credible people. Scott Morrison said himself that schools needed to stay open to stop kids from spreading it in shopping centres! How in the world then is that OK for teachers, school staff, and other students? It's not transmissible between children? Or between staff and children? Or whatever? How did those two teachers you alluded to get it in NSW? Certainly possible they got it elsewhere, and then one came into the school and gave it to the other teacher. But we don't know, and that's the problem - and it doesn't pass the "pub test" to say gatherings everywhere should be banned and/or subject to social distancing but not in schools, and part of why the message hasn't set home to many Australians is partly because the messaging is inconsistent and doesn't pass the pub test. As for why you still have to pay child centre fees, you need to call and ask them what it is for. Generally speaking in education 80% of the cost base is on salaries but I have no idea what would be happen in a private child care centre. I would think if you are not paying for a yearly educational program, you would be entitled to walk. |
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
I also think - you have your view and I have mine, and this isn't the thread to gum up with a back and forth on it. Good luck. If you do get a refund from your child care centre please post about it as it will be useful information for others.
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12826122)
I also think - you have your view and I have mine, and this isn't the thread to gum up with a back and forth on it. Good luck. If you do get a refund from your child care centre please post about it as it will be useful information for others.
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12826121)
Beoz, I agree with you that a national approach is too much (and, by the way, I do not work in child care centres).
But at this point - I will just go with what's happened in Western Australia - the head of the AMA's WA branch says to close the schools. 10 prominent surgeons at a private hospital published a letter saying to close them, to go with a separate one that was sent to McGowan that was signed by 50. The head of the nurse's union says to close them. Etc etc etc. Plus the vast majority of other western countries have closed them and that was on their medical advice. So it is certainly not clear that "medical advice" says to keep them open. There are huge numbers of well-educated medical professionals who are saying the opposite and dissenting. So, OK. Let's publish it - Brendan Murphy's medical advice (not medical advice in general as just highlighted, it's contested) says to keep them open. OK, why are all these other medical professionals wrong? This is not the time for a "just trust me" moment, when his thesis is being hotly contested by credible people. Scott Morrison said himself that schools needed to stay open to stop kids from spreading it in shopping centres! How in the world then is that OK for teachers, school staff, and other students? It's not transmissible between children? Or between staff and children? Or whatever? How did those two teachers you alluded to get it in NSW? Certainly possible they got it elsewhere, and then one came into the school and gave it to the other teacher. But we don't know, and that's the problem - and it doesn't pass the "pub test" to say gatherings everywhere should be banned and/or subject to social distancing but not in schools, and part of why the message hasn't set home to many Australians is partly because the messaging is inconsistent and doesn't pass the pub test. As for why you still have to pay child centre fees, you need to call and ask them what it is for. Generally speaking in education 80% of the cost base is on salaries but I have no idea what would be happen in a private child care centre. I would think if you are not paying for a yearly educational program, you would be entitled to walk. Its not a one man show for Brendan Murphy. Its a committee of medical officers who make these decisions and they guide the governments decisions. |
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
The same government that OK'ed everyone to get off the Ruby Princess?
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12826147)
Child Care is still going. I was more interested in the poster who was looking at zero hours and how the payments the child care centre gets from parents and government could not support the staff.
With regards to evidence I have of children spreading the coronavirus, I'm not suggesting they are but the basic premise of limiting the virus is simple- if you don't go out you can't get it nor give it to anyone else. Children are prolific spreaders of everything- head lice, worms. Young children do not understand the need for coughing or sneezing etiquette, I get coughed at in the face all day every day. Some parents do not care if their child is sick, they take them into the centre after vomiting all night and tell you they have given them a bit of panadol because they have a bit of a temp. A centre can only claim childcare subsidy from the government for that child if they attend. Most children are being kept at home or have been unenrolled and so they do not get paid. I agree with you, if I was still paying fees and they close down I would be angry too. I don't know what the owner of my centre is doing with all the money all I know is that centres work on ratios, the lower the number of children the less staff you need and that is why it is slowly but surely closing down- there is simply not enough children to staff ratio. |
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 12826187)
The same government that OK'ed everyone to get off the Ruby Princess?
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by Dmorgan07
(Post 12826234)
With regards to evidence I have of children spreading the coronavirus, I'm not suggesting they are but the basic premise of limiting the virus is simple- if you don't go out you can't get it nor give it to anyone else. Children are prolific spreaders of everything- head lice, worms. Young children do not understand the need for coughing or sneezing etiquette, I get coughed at in the face all day every day. Some parents do not care if their child is sick, they take them into the centre after vomiting all night and tell you they have given them a bit of panadol because they have a bit of a temp.
. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/e...ntl/index.html Schools were open then, why wasn't there a mass outbreak in these countries? More to the point, we have the option to shut everything down now and as the theory goes, the sooner you shut, the sooner you finish. We seem to be going for the long haul approach. |
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12826282)
The medical experts are suggesting children are not prolific spreaders of COVID 19 as they are for head lice and worms. There is no evidence that I can see anywhere in the world that children have been prolific spreaders. Yes of course, other countries have shut schools but even before then, there is no evidence of such a thing happening in schools. Plenty of adult to adult examples like this one in Europe. A real shame. The Kitzloch is an awesome bar.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/e...ntl/index.html Schools were open then, why wasn't there a mass outbreak in these countries? More to the point, we have the option to shut everything down now and as the theory goes, the sooner you shut, the sooner you finish. We seem to be going for the long haul approach. |
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12826282)
More to the point, we have the option to shut everything down now and as the theory goes, the sooner you shut, the sooner you finish. We seem to be going for the long haul approach.
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 12826440)
This is the issue. We have seen other countries going step by step as though they think it's not going to affect them as it has in Italy or China. Then in a day or so they realise that they need to go further, and then further until oh **** another Italy. Why are we following like sheep? Yes the public may need drip feeding to a certain extent but on the other hand strong rules in the first place people would suck it up. People being told to social distance means they think it means going to the beach or have parties at home. Don't cross the border unless it's for work or medical issues. Why should they be able to cross and we can't when we want to see Byron? Why are planes still landing from overseas? Why are planes still flying interstate? Why are beauty parlours closed from midnight but hairdressers open? It's all just plain stupid. Shut the country up, stop movement and stop pussyfooting about. However that would mean Morrison finding a backbone.
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12826274)
Yep same rules for boats as there are planes.
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Of the 200 odd New cases yesterday in nsw one was 7 years old, another was 7 months. Anyone still think kids can't contract it and transmit it?
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 12826635)
Except that's not the case because there is a 30 day ban on cruise ship arrivals in place, put in place prior to it docking. Ruby Princess was granted an exemption. No such ban exists for planes.
There's the tale of the guy who got off the ship, travelled on the light rail to Central, got a train to the Central Coast, picked up his car, then drove to Tamworth and is now isolated in hospital. That's 1 of 2700 cruising through busy areas. No wonder the cases are so high in Sydney. |
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12826689)
Of the 200 odd New cases yesterday in nsw one was 7 years old, another was 7 months. Anyone still think kids can't contract it and transmit it?
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