Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
#376
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
You are ignoring the fact only a tiny proportion in other countries can get a test. Even on the NHS website, it says, if you think you have COVID19 do not go to a GP or hospital. What would most people do in this situation? Just like my colleague in Spain, ride it out and if you can't breath anymore, get to the hospital for a test.
But a hard lockdown for a low case load as Australia and New Zealand has doesn't work any better than a soft lockdown in getting yourself prepared for the swamp out.
Look at the numbers from New Zealand which has approximately the same population as NSW.
Total Cases
NZ 1210
NSW 2734
New Cases Peak
NZ 146 March 28
NSW 200 March 26
Yesterdays New Cases
NZ 54
NSW 49
Today
NSW 39
NZ ????
Sorry but the evidence is just not there. They are 2 weeks in on a hard lockdown and they are tracking roughly the same as NSW, if not worse as they started with less cases.
Either way, both places are at a level now where swamping it is more than possible, yet NZ chose the glory route without regard for other repercussions, and are still going to be going through a tailing off period of level 3, then 2 lockdowns.
On top of that, given what we see in comparison to NZ, the appetite for a full lockdown in Australia at this point is hardly going to be a popular plan - maybe in Victoria but thats the way Victoria rolls.
Lets see how the numbers continue to go.
But a hard lockdown for a low case load as Australia and New Zealand has doesn't work any better than a soft lockdown in getting yourself prepared for the swamp out.
Look at the numbers from New Zealand which has approximately the same population as NSW.
Total Cases
NZ 1210
NSW 2734
New Cases Peak
NZ 146 March 28
NSW 200 March 26
Yesterdays New Cases
NZ 54
NSW 49
Today
NSW 39
NZ ????
Sorry but the evidence is just not there. They are 2 weeks in on a hard lockdown and they are tracking roughly the same as NSW, if not worse as they started with less cases.
Either way, both places are at a level now where swamping it is more than possible, yet NZ chose the glory route without regard for other repercussions, and are still going to be going through a tailing off period of level 3, then 2 lockdowns.
On top of that, given what we see in comparison to NZ, the appetite for a full lockdown in Australia at this point is hardly going to be a popular plan - maybe in Victoria but thats the way Victoria rolls.
Lets see how the numbers continue to go.
#378
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Numbers over the weekend will get skewed by reporting, but my guess is they will have to relax some regulations by the end of next week if they don't have a good eradication story to tell.
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Nah. They won't change anything while schools are off. Too many parents, teachers, teenagers and staff associated with schools will be tempted to do stupid things while on holiday.
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"Stupid things while on holiday" - Nat Fyfe was photographed surfing at Margaret River today - he lives in Perth and is from Lake Grace (Wheatbelt). We have regional lockdown here so this was a big no-no and exactly the sort of thing the Government is trying to stop this long weekend. Pissed off locals saw him and dobbed him in. He's trying to say he was just doing an errand for his father's trucking business and just went for a surf to exercise. He was with at least one mate and not social distancing. We'll see. Police will need to make an example - can't have flash footy stars openly flouting the spirit of the law.
#381
Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Spanish flu
Asian Flu
German Measles
Hong Kong flu
etc
It is universally accepted that this virus originated in the city of Wuhan, which is on the banks of the Yangtze River. Now my geography is not that great (definitely not my strongest subject at school) but I think you will find that this place is in Central-Eastern CHINA. I'm definitely having a dig at the pathetic and backward Chinese government because their f**kups and lies have led directly to the situation that the world is in today, but I am in no way shape or form being racist. I have posted within the rules of BE. Get over yourself darling - you may think you're BE's content cop but you blatantly ain't
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"Stupid things while on holiday" - Nat Fyfe was photographed surfing at Margaret River today - he lives in Perth and is from Lake Grace (Wheatbelt). We have regional lockdown here so this was a big no-no and exactly the sort of thing the Government is trying to stop this long weekend. Pissed off locals saw him and dobbed him in. He's trying to say he was just doing an errand for his father's trucking business and just went for a surf to exercise. He was with at least one mate and not social distancing. We'll see. Police will need to make an example - can't have flash footy stars openly flouting the spirit of the law.
Surfing = exercising
One mate = allowed.
Not sure the police will get away with that one.
Sprit of the time we live in. Agree
Spirit of the law. Nah he's fine.
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Fyfe says he was in Margaret River picking up a shipment of lime.
Not unheard of for lime to be trucked into the Wheatbelt. It can be used on farms, but it's use is seen as somewhat boutique and uncommon. Service Clubs in the Wheatbelt sometimes raffle off lime for their fundraisers. The roads connecting Lake Grace and Margaret River are lightly trafficked back roads, that do not pass through even one substantial population centre until you are already deep inside the South West - I would be very surprised if those roads were manned by police even with regional lockdown.
The question of course is, was he actually there for that, was he "there for that" but milked it into a holiday, etc. He certainly thought about it well enough in advance to bring his board and his wet suit, not really things people ordinarily keep laying around in the back seat.
Not unheard of for lime to be trucked into the Wheatbelt. It can be used on farms, but it's use is seen as somewhat boutique and uncommon. Service Clubs in the Wheatbelt sometimes raffle off lime for their fundraisers. The roads connecting Lake Grace and Margaret River are lightly trafficked back roads, that do not pass through even one substantial population centre until you are already deep inside the South West - I would be very surprised if those roads were manned by police even with regional lockdown.
The question of course is, was he actually there for that, was he "there for that" but milked it into a holiday, etc. He certainly thought about it well enough in advance to bring his board and his wet suit, not really things people ordinarily keep laying around in the back seat.
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Should be easy enough for police to prove or not. Lime has very specific uses. Should be quite simple to prove the shipment existed from the depot, and prove and verify the farmer it was going to and the purpose, and the delivery times etc. He'd be allowed to go pick it up for work and with the distance between Lake Grace and Margaret River - spend one night there and come back the next day. He'll be in trouble if he milked it into a long weekend or turn it into a working holiday.
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I do see a problem with it. One of the main reasons we have regional lockdown in the first place, was precisely for this reason - to stop Perth residents and others from doing the time-honoured tradition of packing the South West's beaches at Easter and potentially fueling an outbreak in the regions. The Busselton/Margaret River region is particularly vulnerable, does have confirmed cases and has been proactive in asking tourists to leave.
Fyfe isn't from the South West - he was allowed in for an essential reason - he needs to do that essential job and then leave. Surfing with a mate is not essential and he was not allowed in to do that.
Fyfe is a public figure and if he's at the beaches, others are going to say what's the big deal, we'll go on our holiday too. The investigation will also reveal Fyfe's principle address - the one he is now supposed to be at - is it his house in Perth, or was he living with his parents in Lake Grace? People are not allowed to shuttle between houses in Western Australia right now, even if they are the owner. If he was coming and going from Perth to Lake Grace as he pleased, when others are now required by law to be separated from family if they're in different regions, he'll be in trouble for violating the lockdown. If he decided before the lockdown came into effect that he would rather be with his parents in Lake Grace, packed up and headed down - fine. But not if he was going back and forth and the investigation will be looking at that too.
At minimum, piss poor leadership by a public person - at worse, a criminal offence.
Fyfe isn't from the South West - he was allowed in for an essential reason - he needs to do that essential job and then leave. Surfing with a mate is not essential and he was not allowed in to do that.
Fyfe is a public figure and if he's at the beaches, others are going to say what's the big deal, we'll go on our holiday too. The investigation will also reveal Fyfe's principle address - the one he is now supposed to be at - is it his house in Perth, or was he living with his parents in Lake Grace? People are not allowed to shuttle between houses in Western Australia right now, even if they are the owner. If he was coming and going from Perth to Lake Grace as he pleased, when others are now required by law to be separated from family if they're in different regions, he'll be in trouble for violating the lockdown. If he decided before the lockdown came into effect that he would rather be with his parents in Lake Grace, packed up and headed down - fine. But not if he was going back and forth and the investigation will be looking at that too.
At minimum, piss poor leadership by a public person - at worse, a criminal offence.
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It's like the pollie in NSW who went to his second home 3 weeks ago before they said you couldn't do that. They've given him a $1000 fine. If he indeed moved there 3 weeks ago I can't see the problem.
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I do see a problem with it. One of the main reasons we have regional lockdown in the first place, was precisely for this reason - to stop Perth residents and others from doing the time-honoured tradition of packing the South West's beaches at Easter and potentially fueling an outbreak in the regions. The Busselton/Margaret River region is particularly vulnerable, does have confirmed cases and has been proactive in asking tourists to leave.
Fyfe isn't from the South West - he was allowed in for an essential reason - he needs to do that essential job and then leave. Surfing with a mate is not essential and he was not allowed in to do that.
Fyfe is a public figure and if he's at the beaches, others are going to say what's the big deal, we'll go on our holiday too. The investigation will also reveal Fyfe's principle address - the one he is now supposed to be at - is it his house in Perth, or was he living with his parents in Lake Grace? People are not allowed to shuttle between houses in Western Australia right now, even if they are the owner. If he was coming and going from Perth to Lake Grace as he pleased, when others are now required by law to be separated from family if they're in different regions, he'll be in trouble for violating the lockdown. If he decided before the lockdown came into effect that he would rather be with his parents in Lake Grace, packed up and headed down - fine. But not if he was going back and forth and the investigation will be looking at that too.
At minimum, piss poor leadership by a public person - at worse, a criminal offence.
Fyfe isn't from the South West - he was allowed in for an essential reason - he needs to do that essential job and then leave. Surfing with a mate is not essential and he was not allowed in to do that.
Fyfe is a public figure and if he's at the beaches, others are going to say what's the big deal, we'll go on our holiday too. The investigation will also reveal Fyfe's principle address - the one he is now supposed to be at - is it his house in Perth, or was he living with his parents in Lake Grace? People are not allowed to shuttle between houses in Western Australia right now, even if they are the owner. If he was coming and going from Perth to Lake Grace as he pleased, when others are now required by law to be separated from family if they're in different regions, he'll be in trouble for violating the lockdown. If he decided before the lockdown came into effect that he would rather be with his parents in Lake Grace, packed up and headed down - fine. But not if he was going back and forth and the investigation will be looking at that too.
At minimum, piss poor leadership by a public person - at worse, a criminal offence.
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
WTF?
Spanish flu
Asian Flu
German Measles
Hong Kong flu
etc
It is universally accepted that this virus originated in the city of Wuhan, which is on the banks of the Yangtze River. Now my geography is not that great (definitely not my strongest subject at school) but I think you will find that this place is in Central-Eastern CHINA. I'm definitely having a dig at the pathetic and backward Chinese government because their f**kups and lies have led directly to the situation that the world is in today, but I am in no way shape or form being racist. I have posted within the rules of BE. Get over yourself darling - you may think you're BE's content cop but you blatantly ain't
There may indeed be a clown in Washington but the corrupt Beta-male Soy Boi in Ottawa is a bigger clown!!
Spanish flu
Asian Flu
German Measles
Hong Kong flu
etc
It is universally accepted that this virus originated in the city of Wuhan, which is on the banks of the Yangtze River. Now my geography is not that great (definitely not my strongest subject at school) but I think you will find that this place is in Central-Eastern CHINA. I'm definitely having a dig at the pathetic and backward Chinese government because their f**kups and lies have led directly to the situation that the world is in today, but I am in no way shape or form being racist. I have posted within the rules of BE. Get over yourself darling - you may think you're BE's content cop but you blatantly ain't
There may indeed be a clown in Washington but the corrupt Beta-male Soy Boi in Ottawa is a bigger clown!!
The world needs to make China accountable, they certainly won't do it on their own. It's not the Chinese way.
They also need to stop live animal trading. It won't happen. It's a $76 billion industry.
While we pussy foot around the Chinese issue, SARS, COVID19, will continue to plague the world after this episode.
#390
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You don't need to play a racism card, just realise that half the world's population lives inside that circle. Numbers and density are all you need to make it the epicentre of most new diseases.