Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Jun 16th 2006, 7:14 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
there was an article on Beeb.com recently about this (maybe 2 months ago).
Apparently the government in UK are trying to raise the profile of birth defects caused by generation after generation of first cousins marrying.
The govt research said that birth defects amongst Pakistani/Indian and Bangaldeshi people outstripped any other group. A lot of the close relation marrying was a direct result of arranged marriages....of course people generally know family better than they would know any other outside group.
The govt was trying to encourage Asian groups to cast a wider net when marrying....not sure how well that will work.
(Must tell hubby- who thinks he is only half Vietnamese- that his dad was not really English after all! I'm not sure how his Vietnamese mother ended up with a cousin in Hull.......)
Apparently the government in UK are trying to raise the profile of birth defects caused by generation after generation of first cousins marrying.
The govt research said that birth defects amongst Pakistani/Indian and Bangaldeshi people outstripped any other group. A lot of the close relation marrying was a direct result of arranged marriages....of course people generally know family better than they would know any other outside group.
The govt was trying to encourage Asian groups to cast a wider net when marrying....not sure how well that will work.
(Must tell hubby- who thinks he is only half Vietnamese- that his dad was not really English after all! I'm not sure how his Vietnamese mother ended up with a cousin in Hull.......)
Jun 16th 2006, 7:47 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Vanessa
You can marry your 1st cousin in England.
a man cannot marry:
Mother (also step-mother, former step-mother, mother-in-law, former mother-in-law, adoptive mother or former adoptive mother)
Daughter (also step-daughter, former step-daughter, daughter-in-law, former daughter-in-law, adoptive daughter or former adoptive daughter)
Sister (also half-sister)
Father's mother (grandmother)
Mother's mother (grandmother)
Father's father's former wife (step-grandmother)
Mother's father's former wife (step-grandmother)
Son's daughter (granddaughter)
Daughter's daughter (granddaughter)
Wife's son's daughter (step-granddaughter)
Wife's daughter's daughter (step-granddaughter)
Son's son's wife (grandson's wife)
Daughter's son's wife (grandson's wife)
Father's sister (aunt)
Mother's sister (aunt)
Brother's daughter (niece)
Sister's daughter (niece)
A woman may not marry her:
Father (also step-father, former step-father, father-in-law, former father-in-law, adoptive father or former adoptive father)
Son (also step-son, former step-son, son-in-law, former son-in-law, adoptive son or former adoptive son)
Brother (also half-brother or step-brother)
Father's father (grandfather)
Mother's father (grandfather)
Mother's mother's former husband (step-grandfather)
Father's mother's former husband (step-grandfather)
Son's son (grandson)
Daughter's son (grandson)
Husband's daughter's son (step grandson)
Husband's son's son (step grandson)
Son's daughter's husband (granddaughter's husband)
Daughter's daughter's husband (granddaughter's husband)
Father's brother (uncle)
Mother's brother (uncle)
Brother's son (nephew)
Sister's son (nephew)
Exceptions for Certain Step-Relatives and Relatives-in-Law
In England, Scotland and Wales (not Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey) the Marriage Act, 1986, allows for certain step-relatives and relatives-in-law to marry.
Step-Relatives
Step-relatives may marry provided they are at least 21 years of age. The younger of the couple must at no time before the age of 18 have lived in the same household as the older person. Neither must they have been treated as a child of the older person's family.
Relatives-in-Law
Although a man may marry his sister-in-law and a woman may marry her brother-in-law, other relatives-in-law may marry provided they are at least 21 years of age and the family members involved in creating the in-law relationship are both dead. For example, if a man wishes to marry his daughter-in-law, both his son and his son's mother must be dead. In England and Wales, marriages under this Act are not permitted with the calling of banns but can take place in a church on the authority of a superintendent registrar's certificate without licence.
You can now marry your mother-in-law, even when former partners are alive. (a case went before the European Court of Human Rights)
a man cannot marry:
Mother (also step-mother, former step-mother, mother-in-law, former mother-in-law, adoptive mother or former adoptive mother)
Daughter (also step-daughter, former step-daughter, daughter-in-law, former daughter-in-law, adoptive daughter or former adoptive daughter)
Sister (also half-sister)
Father's mother (grandmother)
Mother's mother (grandmother)
Father's father's former wife (step-grandmother)
Mother's father's former wife (step-grandmother)
Son's daughter (granddaughter)
Daughter's daughter (granddaughter)
Wife's son's daughter (step-granddaughter)
Wife's daughter's daughter (step-granddaughter)
Son's son's wife (grandson's wife)
Daughter's son's wife (grandson's wife)
Father's sister (aunt)
Mother's sister (aunt)
Brother's daughter (niece)
Sister's daughter (niece)
A woman may not marry her:
Father (also step-father, former step-father, father-in-law, former father-in-law, adoptive father or former adoptive father)
Son (also step-son, former step-son, son-in-law, former son-in-law, adoptive son or former adoptive son)
Brother (also half-brother or step-brother)
Father's father (grandfather)
Mother's father (grandfather)
Mother's mother's former husband (step-grandfather)
Father's mother's former husband (step-grandfather)
Son's son (grandson)
Daughter's son (grandson)
Husband's daughter's son (step grandson)
Husband's son's son (step grandson)
Son's daughter's husband (granddaughter's husband)
Daughter's daughter's husband (granddaughter's husband)
Father's brother (uncle)
Mother's brother (uncle)
Brother's son (nephew)
Sister's son (nephew)
Exceptions for Certain Step-Relatives and Relatives-in-Law
In England, Scotland and Wales (not Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey) the Marriage Act, 1986, allows for certain step-relatives and relatives-in-law to marry.
Step-Relatives
Step-relatives may marry provided they are at least 21 years of age. The younger of the couple must at no time before the age of 18 have lived in the same household as the older person. Neither must they have been treated as a child of the older person's family.
Relatives-in-Law
Although a man may marry his sister-in-law and a woman may marry her brother-in-law, other relatives-in-law may marry provided they are at least 21 years of age and the family members involved in creating the in-law relationship are both dead. For example, if a man wishes to marry his daughter-in-law, both his son and his son's mother must be dead. In England and Wales, marriages under this Act are not permitted with the calling of banns but can take place in a church on the authority of a superintendent registrar's certificate without licence.
You can now marry your mother-in-law, even when former partners are alive. (a case went before the European Court of Human Rights)
Jun 16th 2006, 7:52 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Just out of interest, is it illegal to shag (as opposed to marry) any of the above (you know, a one night drunken stand thing)
Jun 16th 2006, 9:01 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
I didn't know you'd recently been to Tassie 
Originally Posted by Shakmaty
After visiting an area widely rumoured to be rife with inbreeding a couple of weeks ago,
Jun 16th 2006, 9:04 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Just out of interest, is it illegal to shag (as opposed to marry) any of the above (you know, a one night drunken stand thing)
Jun 16th 2006, 9:11 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
I don't know about the problem in Oz, but I do know about it in the UK. Went to a really interesting lecture a while ago about the problems of consanguineous relationships in asians as they are more prone to B-thalassemia and less likely to get bone marrow transplants for it and more and more people are getting it because of interbreeding, thus causing a drain on the health system.
Diversification is the key to human survival and by limiting your gene pool you are more or less guaranteeing that your family will eventually die out. There are numerous studies, including one recently published in New Scientist, that state that you are more attracted to someone who has the most different genetic makeup to you. This is so that your offspring are more likely to have resistance to new bugs and a more diversified antibody response.
The only good thing about consanguineous relationships is that you will always have an organ donor or bone marrow donor who you can hit with the old family guilt thing - you're my family, NOW GIVE ME YOUR KIDNEY.
Diversification is the key to human survival and by limiting your gene pool you are more or less guaranteeing that your family will eventually die out. There are numerous studies, including one recently published in New Scientist, that state that you are more attracted to someone who has the most different genetic makeup to you. This is so that your offspring are more likely to have resistance to new bugs and a more diversified antibody response.
The only good thing about consanguineous relationships is that you will always have an organ donor or bone marrow donor who you can hit with the old family guilt thing - you're my family, NOW GIVE ME YOUR KIDNEY.
Jun 16th 2006, 9:15 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Sass73
The only good thing about consanguineous relationships is that you will always have an organ donor or bone marrow donor who you can hit with the old family guilt thing - you're my family, NOW GIVE ME YOUR KIDNEY.
Jun 16th 2006, 9:16 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Shakmaty
You can
Laters,Im just off to sh*g my uncle
Last edited by Pollyana; Jun 16th 2006 at 10:21 pm. Reason: language
Jun 16th 2006, 9:24 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by walla
Is this a serious thread or a sheep sh*gging thread?
If the latter I think we should have Ransies views.
After all she sh*gs the most sheep.
If the latter I think we should have Ransies views.
After all she sh*gs the most sheep.
Last edited by Pollyana; Jun 16th 2006 at 10:20 pm. Reason: inappropriate language
Jun 16th 2006, 9:25 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Shakmaty
I have no empirical data about bestiality in remote areas of Australia or the UK, but have no doubt it exists.....now that the Ransies are in WA, probably there
Last edited by Pollyana; Jun 16th 2006 at 10:22 pm. Reason: more *** !!!!
Jun 16th 2006, 9:29 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Just out of interest, is it illegal to sh*g (as opposed to marry) any of the above (you know, a one night drunken stand thing)
Last edited by Pollyana; Jun 16th 2006 at 10:23 pm. Reason: *
Jun 16th 2006, 9:29 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Sass73
I didn't know you'd recently been to Tassie
Jun 16th 2006, 9:30 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Also,I once knew a lad that liked fish a bit too much ( ) not sure that they were related though.
) not sure that they were related though.
Jun 16th 2006, 9:36 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Ransi
In my part of the cave David shagged chickens.
Jun 16th 2006, 9:38 pm
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Re: Consanguineous Relationships + Intermarriage
Originally Posted by Shakmaty
Chooktastic
