the troubadour

Meanwhile The Express and Mail deserve framing in the living room.

Amazulu

Nope. The Guardian, Express, Mail all need to burn. They're all shit

Hope this helps

Beoz

It's far left. Like it's far right counterparts it's trash.

old.sparkles

Not sure how far right you are, but the Guardian is usually recognised as left-leaning

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gu...ect%22%20views.

the troubadour

Not quite there yet. These journals print what mainstream won't touch. An example Keven Airs heading and following story on the drug ICE crisis in Sydney.

the troubadour

The Guardian is Left of Centre. Not hard left. The poster referred to is considerably to the Right.

the troubadour

It's not Far Left. It is Left of Centre. But of course anything without a far right stance, must sound revolutionary, off with the heads sort of stuff to you.

Beoz

Its ultra left ..... fact

old.sparkles

Alternative fact

Beoz

Yep plenty of these diagrams kicking around. Depends on which one suits your agenda I guess. But its always going to well left of the BBC and there's probably not much dispute the BBC is left leaning.

If a news link is presented, most people will avoid a Daily Mail link because lets be honest, its right leaning and beyond - even right wingers would avoid it due to mainstream credibility issues. However on the flipside, left wingers love a bit a Guardian posting. I feel slightly embarrassed for them.

the troubadour

Power bills going up have little to do with Merkel (Schroder is getting some blame in German media) A lot to do with selling out to foreign concerns like EDF (France) who along with others invested little in UK infrastructure, but French consumers I'm sure live in thanks to the British who in part subsidise their low energy bills (only 4%)
I'll ignore The Guardian remark or even bother to ask where you get your information from. I prefer to stay with the facts. The Brexit disaster remains in its early days. According to Industrial Economic Review households are almost 3% worse off. Negative impact on economy. Exports to EU down 45% and Imports down 32.5%( UK bases Office For Budget Responsibility ) Also stated UK exports to Non EU countries increased by only 4.6%.
Big problems with Northern Ireland remain. re negotiate of the trading with EU rules a failure. Small business badly impacted. Fisherman? Supposed to come out better, another lie exposed. Best not be too influenced by Brexit tabloids and holiday homes. It goes much, much deeper, something UK will pay for a very long time. Of course another result may well be that UK will no longer exist.

the troubadour

No such thing apart from in the minds of those too far to the other side of a fair hearing. It's slant is Left. It is not Hard Left.

old.sparkles

Not sure where your piccy is from (maybe consider links not pictures), but still shows Guardian as only just left of center.

If you label such media as far left, where do you put those sources - far far far left? extreme left?

I accept it's not your cup of tea, it's isn't as bad as you are trying to label it.

I used a different site that was rating media bias charts and found - https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc...WebSite_Button

This one rates news and reliability, and whilst biased (still only skews left), the Guardian also rates as mostly news and a reliable news source. Compare with Daily Mail - middle to skews right but less reliable.

Understanding your own bias is also worthwhile when judging others.

Amazulu

Had a look at that graphic and although I don't agree with a lot of it (the BBC at the centre in the 21st century? Bullshit, it's hard-left), it does The Guardian at the far-left - which is what it is

the troubadour

It's Centre Left. End of story. Only far on the opposite poll would argue that. But whatever, in a sea of Right Wing press that pushes a certain agenda, Guardian does at least give light to another side . Saying that, as I think I mentioned fully endorsed the head line article in the Daily Mail last week. Keven Airs wrote a very welcome disclosure of the impact of Ice in Sydney. Just wish he and likeminded scribes would disclose what is going down here in Perth. (and Adelaide)