the troubadour

Just what case may that be? The Right have failed the people miserably, placing business and their mates above the common good. At least there is a chance that right wing popularism may have had its day. One can but hope. The wake up call of recent eventualities have brought this home in UK from the disastrous 80's. Twelve years of mis rule have highlighted the need to break away from failed ideology. It does look Britain at least is moving ground to The Left.

Beoz

This one gets peddled out all the time by those bitter about the management they have had to work for in large organisations. Ring any bells?

Can you provide us some examples of 'looking after mates'?

the troubadour

The Right have no answer but to repeat the truism. I do hope you are not going to attempt to defend the CEO's and their massive bonus's in the millions for doing botched up jobs? In fact some should most likely face charges for the present environmental disaster being experienced in the height of summer on 53 UK beaches. Not forgetting the rivers. Instead of rewarding selves and share holders, money should have been spent on renewal of pipes etc. Those running electricity the same. Self serving management lead to outcomes beeing witnessed. Time to drop your 80's baggage and admit failure.

The mates are taking are of in tax cuts obviously. Only the richest benefit. Rest have to put up with a crumbling system.

brits1

Having been “brought up” in the staunchly city of Manchester and from a working class family leaving school in 1979 and going straight into work (at that time I was lucky to do so)I look back at my political voting and except for a vote for the short lived SDP (well I was young) I have voted conservative as they suit my thoughts (alas this is currently no longer the case) I have never voted labour…. my older brother was a Union man up until the 80’s and now cannot even mentioned anything socialist or Labour without blowing a fuse lol My best friend (a German) always voted for the socialist party in Germany but now no longer does my family in Canada cannot stand Trudeau. We are all “normal” everyday people as are most people and we vote these MP’s to work for you but that’s sooo far from the truth when they get elected. Kemi Badenoch here in the UK was very popular with local people who voted conservatives but was not voted by the party …..madness Truss is okay (ish) but no answers on illegal refugees, left wing ideals, law, infrastructure ….not a thing the press (mainly left wing) has pushed too many buttons the BBC is a joke ….I nearly cried when I heard Labour had won in Australia but my DH said “don’t worry love they never last long in Australia” 🙏

the troubadour

Truss has no answers on anything apart from tax cuts, something the country cannot afford without greater pain on the majority. She is attempting to ape Thatcher without the conviction. What she says today to win over the old guard Tory brigade in order to win their vote, will be caste aside tomorrow to win the election.
I do find it amazing anyone would blame Labour after twelve year of Tory misrule on every front. Not sure about the socialist comment. It's been a long time since Britain experienced anything akin to one. Blair was not one. Surely you don't blame the state of modern Britain on socialism ? The lack of any government functioning taking any decisions on how to tackle the state Britain finds itself today is extraordinary. Britain has the highest inflation of the top 7 economic powers. Immigration has increased since Brexit. Plans to bring in many thousands from further away than EU to work in care sector. Energy costs rising at the highest rate in Europe, while CEO's pocket millions in undeserved bonus's.
Do you not think a more left of right government in France has been more successful in taking control of their energy company and capping at 4% increase in costs ?

Amazulu

Blair was not really socialist but Brown most certainly was - and a lot of his ridiculous economic ideas still ail the UK today. Certainly, the immigation policy that Brown/Blair introduced is still hurting the UK in 2022. The UK was deeply socialist until 1979, ruinously so in fact. It broke the UK. Fortunately, the British electorate sensibly voted for the great Margaret Thatcher, who went on to save her nation from economic oblivion and 2nd world status. Luckily for the UK, the basic reforms that she introduced are still in place - and will enable the UK to grow again when they get a genuine hard-right conservative leader sometime in the future

I have confidence that Britain can fix itself but it's going to take time and until then, they have a lot of pain to go through

abner

And then, that he couldn't remember, after the fact, whether he'd actually done it or not. :-:

All kidding aside, it's truly awful to see the ongoing mental health damage inflicted by participation in cabinet. Who knew, that cabinet members could suffer such abject memory losses...?

the troubadour

Brown being the one making a lot of sense at the moment. But no Thatcher's legacy is in large part the reasons thing are unfolding in UK now. The selling of public assets to foreigners. Share holders before stake holders (those being the general public) The selling of council houses , most now in the hands of property owners and rented out at substantial rents, leaving many in insecure tenancy or/and technically homeless.
In fact a touch of socialism is what is badly needed in UK , French style, but would come at too high a cost to nationalise. At least the French placed a cap on price rises of 4%. Unless a change of course takes place in UK, and the country becomes far more inclusive, not just for the well off , Britain will have a very rocky road indeed ahead. Hard Right Conservatives have shown to be a complete and utter failure. Truss will most certainly fall in a heap in attempting to ape Thatcher . Yet to hear a single thing outside of tax cuts that she stands for. But wait, like her EU policy, she will change her mind to suit the occasion overnight. Rather gloomy times ahead for Britain at the moment.

Beoz

Share holders. You mean you. In your superannuation fund?

the troubadour

Actually mean non cultists that can think beyond the box.

Beoz

You mean a self managed super fund? So if being a shareholder is off the menu, and we all know about your issues with buying property (you can't afford it), then what's left? Maybe some of those environmental killing WA resources?

Given your self destroying opinions on just about everything all that's left would be a nicely appreciating wine collection. At least you can have a nice drink on the government pension.

the troubadour

Britain will not fix itself, as you term it, until a government is elected , that governs for all and not a tiny minority. The mess that was created back in the eighties is clear for all to see today. Firstly, the need is to stop rewarding the richest 1% . But don't fear. The rot created is or has been increasingly exposed and ever more people are pushing for a substantial government that actually represents the people.

the troubadour

Here you go again. Still burdened with the inability, I'm afraid to debate. As I wrote, rather too typical features of the cultist. You could consider an exorcism of sorts to assist in rejecting cult indoctrination? It must be hard living in the wrong era. But the eighties are long gone. People are waking up to the reality of what has been created. Not before time, but better later than never.
What's 'killing ' WA another word of choice of yours is the rampant abuse of drugs, namely Ice, which is everywhere. Perth number one city in Australia in usage, with Australia number one in the world. No politician of either colour appears to want to touch the issue.

Beoz

Not many are waking up to your socialist values. Least of ll the Labor party who are trying to move in the other direction but grapling with their number 1 task. Managing an economy.

Yes you went off topic in another thread about meth.

the troubadour

Afraid you are being left behind. Anyone wanting accountability and a government that functions with the general population in mind, is Marxist or Socialist how odd. But to suggest the Libs are better economic managers is entering fantasy land. Same or worse can be seen in UK. Yes ( a major issue not being remotely tackled) meth is a considerable component to the economy and a reason I would be disinclined to vote WA ALP again. Australia is only a few steps behind UK in poor management.