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Old Jun 18th 2018, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
The ABC had some excellent content but when it comes to politics, economics and society, their left-wing, anti-western, pro-socialist bias comes out. We shouldn't have to finance this. Saying that, the BBC is just as bad
Why on earth would you finance someone who was bad mouthing you al the time? Quite obviously Shorten has pledged to reinstate the cut funding.
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Old Jun 19th 2018, 12:23 am
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So what alternative do you suggest we finance? Fox News? Sky News? Brietbart? A Murdoch controlled privatised ABC? Anything that puts the right wing agenda across? Something that has the reporting/investigative capability of Today Tonight or whatever the other one is called all in the name of ratings than quality? (Strangely can't think of any Left wing agenda TV News channels - RT TV (Russian controlled?))

If you find my comment in the linked article, I say it depends on your perspective. The YL's that proposed this idea are probably true blue conservative Liberals and so of course they are more likely to view anything to left of them with disdain. Someone who is far left, Union loving with a liking for communism would probably think the ABC is right wing. I seem to remember that when Rudd and Gillard were PM's, they were subjected to the same level of scrutiny as the current Government are by the ABC. Wasn't it the ABC that investigated and exposed the pink batts loft insulation saga? When I read or view any media source I like to think I can filter out any particular bias and make my own mind up. I 'd currently call myself a swing voter, but the way the Libs are carrying on (note: not what are Labor are doing/saying), I can feel which way my pendulum is swinging at the moment. I don't want any Government telling me what to think by a state owned entity - Left or Right. Just because they fund it doesn't mean they should control the output - we are paying for their independence from any Government control.
The aim of the privatisation is not to create a right wing media outlet as you suggest in your first paragraph, its simply to sell (and make money for all) a taxpaying media outlet that has become so left wing.

And the vote is in. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/

Its hard to argue against the fact the ABC has now become a very left leaning organisation, and that's great for some, a few, a minority, but what about the rest who put their tax dollars into this organisation and can't enjoy what it produces?

A sale will never occur though. The government is looking at a number of strategies to bring the ABC back from its far left leanings, so the rest of us can enjoy what we pay for.
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The aim of the privatisation is not to create a right wing media outlet as you suggest in your first paragraph, its simply to sell (and make money for all) a taxpaying media outlet that has become so left wing.

And the vote is in. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/

Its hard to argue against the fact the ABC has now become a very left leaning organisation
I'm confused. Your link describes the ABC as 'least biased'...right of left-centre and goes on to say:

These sources have minimal bias
...perhaps in your haste you read it as left biased!?
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I'm confused. Your link describes the ABC as 'least biased'...right of left-centre and goes on to say:

...perhaps in your haste you read it as left biased!?
Approx 50% describe it left. Approx 5.5% describe it right. And we all know where the least biased sit.

Hope that helps. Don't be hasty now.
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The aim of the privatisation is not to create a right wing media outlet as you suggest in your first paragraph, its simply to sell (and make money for all) a taxpaying media outlet that has become so left wing.

And the vote is in. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/

Its hard to argue against the fact the ABC has now become a very left leaning organisation, and that's great for some, a few, a minority, but what about the rest who put their tax dollars into this organisation and can't enjoy what it produces?

A sale will never occur though. The government is looking at a number of strategies to bring the ABC back from its far left leanings, so the rest of us can enjoy what we pay for.

Well that settles it then. A random online survey, no verification of voters. How many times they have voted? Where they are actually based? Do they even watch/listen to the ABC? Are they robo-voters? Is there any external state interference bearing in mind some of the discord that is being sown currently? Is this backed by Cambridge Analytica or equivalent? Doesn't really provide any proof either way to me.

Going on this article by the person who proposed this vote he has exposed himself as very out of touch, and going on the comments I'm not the only one to think this.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...18-p4zm6y.html

Like I said, the ABC is only "far left leaning" if you are on the right of spectrum.
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Well that settles it then. A random online survey, no verification of voters. How many times they have voted? Where they are actually based? Do they even watch/listen to the ABC? Are they robo-voters? Is there any external state interference bearing in mind some of the discord that is being sown currently? Is this backed by Cambridge Analytica or equivalent? Doesn't really provide any proof either way to me.

Going on this article by the person who proposed this vote he has exposed himself as very out of touch, and going on the comments I'm not the only one to think this.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...18-p4zm6y.html

Like I said, the ABC is only "far left leaning" if you are on the right of spectrum.
If Liberal members feel they are not being fairly represented on the government media outlet then something needs to be done. I don't see Labor supporters jumping up and down about the ABC. If they were then something also would need to be done. Fair is fair for all right?

Personally I cannot watch the ABC news in the morning. It's too one sided for my liking. Then again I don't watch Sky News either, but it's not paid for by our tax dollars so they can do as they please.
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If Liberal members feel they are not being fairly represented on the government media outlet then something needs to be done. I don't see Labor supporters jumping up and down about the ABC. If they were then something also would need to be done. Fair is fair for all right?

Personally I cannot watch the ABC news in the morning. It's too one sided for my liking. Then again I don't watch Sky News either, but it's not paid for by our tax dollars so they can do as they please.

"Government media outlet".....hhhmmmm.....interesting view of the ABC you have there. It is funded by us, the tax payer, not the Government to be some kind press office for whichever party is currently in Government a la North Korea, China, Russia and several other state sponsored "Government media outlet". But that is essentially the problem for the LNP isn't? They (the ABC) are not saying what they, the people who control the funding (not supply it) want them to say. The Libs are starting to sound like Trump complaining about CNN/Washington Post/NY Times.

Did you complain when Rudd/Gillard/Pink Batts were being reported by the ABC in a critical light, or is it only when your team is subjected to some level of scrutiny? What are scared of exactly? They might expose something that does not align with your view of politics and you may have to admit there is a problem with your team's policy?

What do you watch in the morning then, as you imply that you do watch something, if the ABC and Sky are not on your list? Fox News? Don't tell me......Sunrise?

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"Government media outlet".....hhhmmmm.....interesting view of the ABC you have there. It is funded by us, the tax payer, not the Government to be some kind press office for whichever party is currently in Government a la North Korea, China, Russia and several other state sponsored "Government media outlet". But that is essentially the problem for the LNP isn't? They (the ABC) are not saying what they, the people who control the funding (not supply it) want them to say. The Libs are starting to sound like Trump complaining about CNN/Washington Post/NY Times.

Did you complain when Rudd/Gillard/Pink Batts were being reported by the ABC in a critical light, or is it only when your team is subjected to some level of scrutiny? What are scared of exactly? They might expose something that does not align with your view of politics and you may have to admit there is a problem with your team's policy?

What do you watch in the morning then, as you imply that you do watch something, if the ABC and Sky are not on your list? Fox News? Don't tell me......Sunrise?
You get a little excited and off script don't you. Back on script, Liberals (voters too) and those who are actually serious about neutral media coverage, expect their tax dollars to be put towards something that is neutral. Currently the ABC is not.

However, the government have a process in place which will hopefully bring the ABC back to what it's supposed to do. You can keep mentioning pink bats all you like ..... ancient history. Let's focus on today's problems and that's the ABC not doing the job its funded for.

I read the paper in the morning these days. I tend to go to the SMH as a first port of call. However, the journo's are a bit left leaning for my liking but I do like to see how the others feel. You can tell the audience by the comments. SMH has a history of receiving some really shallow left comments, however I see a more neutral audience taking to the stage in recent times. Let's hope that trend continues.
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expect their tax dollars to be put towards something that is neutral. Currently the ABC is not.

I read the paper in the morning these days. I tend to go to the SMH as a first port of call. However, the journo's are a bit left leaning for my liking
OK, we get it. You are so far right you've lost contact with reality, but for the rest of us the ABC is if anything a bit conservative and not holding the government's feet to the fire anything like enough. For a start the monumental cockup of the NBN and the corrupt waste of money needs much more coverage. "Cheaper, faster, quicker" and "Telstra will give us the copper for free" should be hung around the coalition's neck as the fruits of their bastardy becomes apparent.

And finally - reading newspapers? Kind of says it all.
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OK, we get it. You are so far right you've lost contact with reality, but for the rest of us the ABC is if anything a bit conservative and not holding the government's feet to the fire anything like enough. For a start the monumental cockup of the NBN and the corrupt waste of money needs much more coverage. "Cheaper, faster, quicker" and "Telstra will give us the copper for free" should be hung around the coalition's neck as the fruits of their bastardy becomes apparent.

And finally - reading newspapers? Kind of says it all.
The rest of us. You mean you? The rest of us is not you.

If I was into the far right I would be into sky news. Where did I say I watch sky news?

The NBN is a beautiful display on how to do it right. Even with the NBN, Optus can't get it right, and you know it's all about their streaming technology right? Not the NBN.

A few questions for you which I am sure you will let fly through to the keeper.
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The rest of us. You mean you? The rest of us is not you.

If I was into the far right I would be into sky news. Where did I say I watch sky news?

The NBN is a beautiful display on how to do it right. Even with the NBN, Optus can't get it right, and you know it's all about their streaming technology right? Not the NBN.

A few questions for you which I am sure you will let fly through to the keeper.
I had a go at streaming the COL v JAP on SBS on mobile data last night. Pin sharp picture with zero buffering. Problem is definitely with Optus internally
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
I had a go at streaming the COL v JAP on SBS on mobile data last night. Pin sharp picture with zero buffering. Problem is definitely with Optus internally
Optus are going to lose a lot of business because of this, their reputation is in tatters. You don't come between a football fan and his football
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You get a little excited and off script don't you. Back on script, Liberals (voters too) and those who are actually serious about neutral media coverage, expect their tax dollars to be put towards something that is neutral. Currently the ABC is not.

However, the government have a process in place which will hopefully bring the ABC back to what it's supposed to do. You can keep mentioning pink bats all you like ..... ancient history. Let's focus on today's problems and that's the ABC not doing the job its funded for.

I read the paper in the morning these days. I tend to go to the SMH as a first port of call. However, the journo's are a bit left leaning for my liking but I do like to see how the others feel. You can tell the audience by the comments. SMH has a history of receiving some really shallow left comments, however I see a more neutral audience taking to the stage in recent times. Let's hope that trend continues.

Is that you Scott Morrision? He is very good at deflection and avoiding answering his own raised points as well. I merely responded to your "script"/comment/words.......and obviously you have no substantive validity to your own points when they are fairly responded to. Going on your logic, if Pink Batts are ancient history, then everything negative the ABC has said about the Libs (and ALP/Greens/PHON/PUP/Independents) must be treated as ancient history in the name of being unbiased. Problem solved. The ABC can't be biased on your own logic as the slate gets wiped clean every now and again.....but only when it suits you obviously.

So you don't watch Breakfast TV? Why raise the "I can't watch ABC in the mornings because it is so left" as some kind of issue if you don't actually watch any of them? I don't like Ferrari's because they are too red....but I don't actually own one. Or maybe you are a secret Sunrise/Karl fan, but dare not admit it as it would reveal you true level of news sources.
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I had a go at streaming the COL v JAP on SBS on mobile data last night. Pin sharp picture with zero buffering. Problem is definitely with Optus internally

Tut.....Bloody Government funded TV sources providing a superior product than a private sector company. Terrible isn't?
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