Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
Apr 27th 2016, 2:50 am
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
I'd assume any number of home owners that got in prior to the boom, and long before have made a few hundred per cent on their initial purchase and could care less if a reduction in house prices returned Australia to a more equitable nation, where their kids stood a chance to purchase.
Those consumed by greed will just have to suck it up, I'm afraid. WE know the neo libs care little beyond shellfish self interest and are increasingly on the nose with their failed economic policy.
Those consumed by greed will just have to suck it up, I'm afraid. WE know the neo libs care little beyond shellfish self interest and are increasingly on the nose with their failed economic policy.
No one has actually admitted it yet.
Apr 27th 2016, 3:10 am
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Why .... does it prove your case wrong
Nope. I hear and understand that tampering with negative gearing will have impacts. You can't just look at it from a one eyed point of view. It will have ramifications everywhere.
There are more defence force personnel who use negative gearing than surgeons, judges, anaesthetists and psychiatrists combined. There is 25 times the number of nurses, defence force personnel and emergency service workers combined who use negative gearing compared with surgeons, anaesthetists and judges combined.
The public servants are the very people you are trying to protect.
I've told you before I don't believe in negative gearing and you are absolutely right. Its dangerous to have so much debt and wealth tied to one industry. Do you have a solution that won't upset your mates in the public service - the biggest abusers of negative gearing?
More rubbish
How's your retirement fund tax avoidance strategy going?
Lots of avoidance on that topic?
Nope. I hear and understand that tampering with negative gearing will have impacts. You can't just look at it from a one eyed point of view. It will have ramifications everywhere.
There are more defence force personnel who use negative gearing than surgeons, judges, anaesthetists and psychiatrists combined. There is 25 times the number of nurses, defence force personnel and emergency service workers combined who use negative gearing compared with surgeons, anaesthetists and judges combined.
The public servants are the very people you are trying to protect.
I've told you before I don't believe in negative gearing and you are absolutely right. Its dangerous to have so much debt and wealth tied to one industry. Do you have a solution that won't upset your mates in the public service - the biggest abusers of negative gearing?
More rubbish
How's your retirement fund tax avoidance strategy going?
Lots of avoidance on that topic?
I have no retirement fund strategy that I do not pay tax on besides what the nanny Australian state forced me to partake in.
No fancy bean counter schemes in place in my name and pay well above the rates most international corporates shell out. But don't you concern yourself, my possible age poverty will born out known I contributed my share and above in the hope that services will avail when needed by self and close ones.
My solution is of course to do away with NG. Most the rest of the world functions perfectly well without and those Anglo countries that do partake, Canada and New Zealand both similar to Australia, have an unaffordable housing market and high rents to match.
People still buy to rent in countries that don't possess such nonsense. Besides the 90% that don't NG are becoming increasing questioning why they should carry through subsidising the ten per cent whom do.
The impacts it will have of course is to remove well off regardless of if tradies or simply rich buying multiple housing to let and being subsidised to do so.
It is a rather basic right that everyone should be in line to purchase a home. Only 4% of Sydney housing for one, falls under the affordability of first home buyers.
A shocker in a house owning democracy, with historical high levels of home ownership as Australia.
Apr 27th 2016, 3:19 am
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Far better to take a bit of a loss now than lose more later and restore a more traditional approach to housing. At the moment the implications are becoming ever increasingly dire for the nation.
It will not be a country worth living in. Business will find it ever harder to recruit more will seek a better environment overseas, crime will become an ever increasing issue, stress and mental health issues will further escalate (already so) society will further splinter into haves and have nots, and the welfare safety net will ever endure larger holes and more slipping through.
Apr 27th 2016, 3:33 am
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We had the Grattan Institute modelling suggesting prices would be 2% lower than they otherwise might be. Put that in the context of the price rises we've seen in Sydney and Melbourne over the last couple of years...it might mean prices rose 19% instead of 20%. Well to be frank, I couldn't care less! When it's time to move up the ladder my house is worth 2% less (but still say 25% more than I paid for it) and so is the one I want to buy!
Apr 27th 2016, 3:36 am
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Back to the original post...here's the ABC's (to be ignored obviously) verdict on the CFMEU's claims:
Fact check: Would building workers have less rights than ice dealers under ABCC laws? - Fact Check - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Fact check: Would building workers have less rights than ice dealers under ABCC laws? - Fact Check - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Apr 27th 2016, 4:57 am
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Well where's the analysis and modelling on this? The govt certainly hasn't provided any...just 'common sense'.
We had the Grattan Institute modelling suggesting prices would be 2% lower than they otherwise might be. Put that in the context of the price rises we've seen in Sydney and Melbourne over the last couple of years...it might mean prices rose 19% instead of 20%. Well to be frank, I couldn't care less! When it's time to move up the ladder my house is worth 2% less (but still say 25% more than I paid for it) and so is the one I want to buy!
We had the Grattan Institute modelling suggesting prices would be 2% lower than they otherwise might be. Put that in the context of the price rises we've seen in Sydney and Melbourne over the last couple of years...it might mean prices rose 19% instead of 20%. Well to be frank, I couldn't care less! When it's time to move up the ladder my house is worth 2% less (but still say 25% more than I paid for it) and so is the one I want to buy!
If they are right, (and know one really knows do they) is 2% going to be enough to help first home buyers? Not really.
Not sure the rest will share your sediment about house prices dipping.
What really needs to happen here is is somehow making property more affordable for FHB without jeopardising house prices. There needs to be some type of skew in numbers too. More FBH, less investor.
Probably requires some type of balancing act between placing a fee on investor purchases that are passed back to the FHB.
That fee needs to be a balancing act to keep some investors in the game and enough so FBH can actually get in the game, all the while not affecting house prices.
Apr 27th 2016, 6:28 am
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Oh dear.
Manus island being forced to close, and Nauru not looking good either. Not the kind of bad publicity you want on the run up to an election.
Manus Island detention centre to close, Papua New Guinea prime minister says | Australia news | The Guardian
Particularly since Dutton said yesterday that he wouldn't be taking the asylum seekers back to Australia. Shouldn't have left himself a hostage to fortune on that one.
Someone up there doesn't like Turnbull, or the coalition.
Manus island being forced to close, and Nauru not looking good either. Not the kind of bad publicity you want on the run up to an election.
Manus Island detention centre to close, Papua New Guinea prime minister says | Australia news | The Guardian
Particularly since Dutton said yesterday that he wouldn't be taking the asylum seekers back to Australia. Shouldn't have left himself a hostage to fortune on that one.
Someone up there doesn't like Turnbull, or the coalition.
Apr 27th 2016, 6:57 am
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Oh dear.
Manus island being forced to close, and Nauru not looking good either. Not the kind of bad publicity you want on the run up to an election.
Manus Island detention centre to close, Papua New Guinea prime minister says | Australia news | The Guardian
Particularly since Dutton said yesterday that he wouldn't be taking the asylum seekers back to Australia. Shouldn't have left himself a hostage to fortune on that one.
Someone up there doesn't like Turnbull, or the coalition.
Manus island being forced to close, and Nauru not looking good either. Not the kind of bad publicity you want on the run up to an election.
Manus Island detention centre to close, Papua New Guinea prime minister says | Australia news | The Guardian
Particularly since Dutton said yesterday that he wouldn't be taking the asylum seekers back to Australia. Shouldn't have left himself a hostage to fortune on that one.
Someone up there doesn't like Turnbull, or the coalition.
Apr 27th 2016, 12:04 pm
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Apr 27th 2016, 1:26 pm
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Re: Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
The timing of this makes it more important than ever that LNP win the next federal election again. The pigs ear that we all know the ALP will make if this development lands again on their laps will lead us straight back to the era of out-of-control boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea.
Apr 27th 2016, 8:29 pm
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The timing of this makes it more important than ever that LNP win the next federal election again. The pigs ear that we all know the ALP will make if this development lands again on their laps will lead us straight back to the era of out-of-control boat arrivals and thousands of deaths at sea.
Apr 27th 2016, 11:47 pm
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And now Dutton is saying Nauru has "plenty of space" (despite the 'emergency situation' there), but that Australia doesn't have to take the asylum seekers because
and
I do sometimes wonder if aussie politicians have even a thimbleful of political nouse. Way to piss off, with threats, the PNG government and have to climb down again when they set a timetable. He needed to push this beyond the election, for which he needed the PNG government onside. It's going to be in their interests to kick them off the island in a short timeframe (less than a month) to show they aren't weak, and probably to have TV crews there to cover the inevitable riot.
“The 850 people under the MOU are the responsibility of the PNG government,”
“We’ve paid the PNG government a lot of money,”
Apr 28th 2016, 12:33 am
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And now Dutton is saying Nauru has "plenty of space" (despite the 'emergency situation' there), but that Australia doesn't have to take the asylum seekers because
and
I do sometimes wonder if aussie politicians have even a thimbleful of political nouse. Way to piss off, with threats, the PNG government and have to climb down again when they set a timetable. He needed to push this beyond the election, for which he needed the PNG government onside. It's going to be in their interests to kick them off the island in a short timeframe (less than a month) to show they aren't weak, and probably to have TV crews there to cover the inevitable riot.
and
I do sometimes wonder if aussie politicians have even a thimbleful of political nouse. Way to piss off, with threats, the PNG government and have to climb down again when they set a timetable. He needed to push this beyond the election, for which he needed the PNG government onside. It's going to be in their interests to kick them off the island in a short timeframe (less than a month) to show they aren't weak, and probably to have TV crews there to cover the inevitable riot.
Just under half have been judged to not be genuine refugees. These are they very people who are in it for their own self interest, removing the capacity for governments to deal with the genuine refugees.
It's such a shame. The people trafficking measures were working so well. It would be such a pity if we went back to square one.
Apr 28th 2016, 4:31 am
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And now Dutton is saying Nauru has "plenty of space" (despite the 'emergency situation' there), but that Australia doesn't have to take the asylum seekers because
and
I do sometimes wonder if aussie politicians have even a thimbleful of political nouse. Way to piss off, with threats, the PNG government and have to climb down again when they set a timetable. He needed to push this beyond the election, for which he needed the PNG government onside. It's going to be in their interests to kick them off the island in a short timeframe (less than a month) to show they aren't weak, and probably to have TV crews there to cover the inevitable riot.
and
I do sometimes wonder if aussie politicians have even a thimbleful of political nouse. Way to piss off, with threats, the PNG government and have to climb down again when they set a timetable. He needed to push this beyond the election, for which he needed the PNG government onside. It's going to be in their interests to kick them off the island in a short timeframe (less than a month) to show they aren't weak, and probably to have TV crews there to cover the inevitable riot.
One of the great things about this country is our tough stance of boat arrivals - many other countries should take note
Any party advocating bringing these people to Australia would get smashed at the election
Ain't going to happen champ