ozzieeagle

You typed that pre post 628

Right I'm just about off to work, which with no Penalty rates, would leave me at least 180 dollars less pay tonight... maybe 200 less if there is the usual 1 hour OT in the Morning.

bcworld

I was promised by Tony Abbott the last time that my electricity bill would go down. It went up by 10%. And something about how a Sunday roast would cost $100...

Beoz

If you had found a situation where Mal or Tone had lied about their opposition then you wouldn't have to resort to name calling .. ...... I can't help it if its your default setting.

knockoff nige

Oh yeah, that's the other thing you do, pretend someone didn't reply to your question. Also, notice I did reply to your question but you failed to reply to mine. Are you in favour of full privatisation of Medicare?

Beoz

Darn ... another broken promise. Bit like the Carbon pricing one.

I think we can all live with broken promises. They all do it.

But blatant lying. That's low.

Beoz

Post 619. You got your reply.

Stupid question in the first place. No I don't support FULL privatisation of Medicare. Nor do the Libs. We have been through this. But lets do it again just for kicks.

If part privatisation helps make parts of the system more efficient and better for the end user, go nuts. The system is already part privatised. Again we went through that.

paulry

They're all as bad as each other, however we need both parties, each to undo (if they can) the damage of the other. They both break promises, and they both blatantly lie, 'tis the nature of the beast.

Beoz

Breaking a promise if future circumstances change is far more acceptable than openly lying about your opposition.

knockoff nige

Nope, 636 is when is answered it. And now that you're prepared to, how much of it can or should be privatised in your eyes? And I agree, it is a stupid question but unfortunately quite a realistic possibility that the LNP would do it if they got half a chance. They want to deregulate wherever they can and not only sell whatever they can but hold state governments to ransom unless they too sell off infrastructure.

Beoz

Nope it was 619 but you will ignore that as it didn't work with your agenda as usual.

Which ever bits need privatising. Like when they stopped making radiography machines when they realised there were others out there doing a better job.

If you try and keep everything in house you end up killing the service. And its outsourcing for use of a better term.

But I would not expect those who have an alternative agenda to understand this. For them including yourself its a blanket privatisation of Medicare. And who would buy it anyway? Its a loss making business.

This breaks it down a little better for you and asks some pretty good questions about efficiency. Of course its a left wing rag hence the snipe at the end but they are asking the same questions as the Libs about efficiencies.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-10/smith-privatising-medicare/7153080

GarryP

Err, that article (not left wing at all) points out that although there are efficiency improvements to be had, they are best had from internal investments, not privatisation. It also points up the privacy and interface issues associated with privatisation of some parts of a service.

In short, you've made a pretty good case for NOT going down the LNP path.

Of course, the simplest solution is to do away with the complexity of a mucking about system and get rid of the half and half - with an NHS.

Beoz

ERRR .... did I say it was a left wing article .... NO ... I said it was in a left wing rag.

Actually, the article demonstrates to very good reasons to outsource, and some not so good reasons to outsource.

The LNP have no path YET .... as much as the lefties would like to sell it as one. ... the lefties have more or less blocked any attempts to move into this century with scare mongering.

FACT .... this is what Malcolm Turnbull said back in February.

"What we are looking at, as we look at in every area, is improving the delivery of government services ... looking at ways to take the health and aged care payment system into the 21st century. This is about making it simpler and faster for patients to be able to transact with Medicare, to get the services they are entitled to."

There is an opportunity to fix broken parts of Medicare, fix the fact the not all medical specialists are not on the payment system, put a chip in the card, etc

This is a real "cut off nose to spite face" moment in Federal politics built around a lie from the ALP.

It's a real shame. Now we face a hung parliament and all the good things that go along with that.

Amazulu

They are

My wife worked for the AEC at the voting station at Carmel on Saturday and yesterday for them at the counting centre at Forrestfield. She thought that they would be counting votes. Wrong! All they did was move boxes of postal and declaration votes from one pile to another in preparation for Tuesday. Most of this could have been sorted out by Sunday evening and we would have a clearer picture of who is going to form government

An interesting fact that she got from the AEC officials was that postal and declaration votes tend to favour the coalition

GarryP

It's neither.

It points out a whole bunch of reasons to NOT outsource.

Yeah, yeah, of COURSE the LNP has no plan for medicare. They've only been trying to destroy it since it was bought into existance, and had a plan to privatise parts of it - as Labor pointed out.

Fine, well the best way to 'improve delivery' is to make everything free at the point of use - an NHS. No admin/bureaucracy then.

Get rid of the card.

As we've already shown, the lie is from the LNP. They were rightly ashamed of what they were planning and knew it wasn't a vote winner - so lied about lying about it.

Swerv-o

Apparently the delay has been so that the voting papers can be transported to secure counting locations.


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