Bye bye Liberal Government..... will you ever learn.
 

Silly buggers are taking on workers rights again. Didn't they learn anything last time with work choices.


Here comes the campaign headed by my Victorian mates well to the left of me @ the CFMEU.

Take on workers rights and you will lose...... again and again and again. Negotiate with the unions or fester on the opposition benches.

The election is on the horizon and the word has gone out.

Wait till they start publishing what contracts have done to wages and all the illegal underpayments out there. :)



Bring it on Libs.... we are even better prepared this time.

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:rofl:

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Ah the me me me rises its ugly head.

You can either sit on the bench and do nothing or deal with the issues. I rather a government that deals with the issues. If its to their fall down then so be it.

You already have your rights in place. Same as every other worker in the country. Why are you so special?

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I think you'll find the Union TV and media campaign will be far more effective this time around than Labors at influencing the votes at the next election.

There is one hell of a lot of proven corruption revelations going to come out aimed at the Liberal ministers and senators.

Fight fire with fire and all that ;)

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Really. Maybe in union loving Victoria but nationally that would be bucking a dying trend.

http://m.smh.com.au/national/trade-union-membership-hits-record-low-20151027-gkjlpu.html

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Better try again....... you've got your bargaining concepts completely arse about face.

Collective bargaining as per Unions = We.



Individual negotiating = Me.

If your rantings are symbolic of the rights mantra, then the campaign this time around is going to be a comparative pushover compared to the last work choices fiasco.

It's going to be the dirtiest campaign in Aus electoral history. Obviously there is only limited time left for the union movement in modern history.... so lets go out with a bit of a nuclear exchange type campaign :)


Say bye bye to the Libs for 3 terms..

Turnbull knows whats coming he has gone from Maverick to Sheep in 6 short months.

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Maybe, but I'm not exactly sure you can say the Libs are gonners on the current polls.

Its 50 - 50 on the 2 party preferred, bearing in mind that many on the ALP side are going to vote green or ind, because the union theme is no longer a priority.

Then when push comes to shove on election day, the swingers are going to stick with someone they know, someone who actually hasn't messed up the economy, someone who's keeping their back pockets nice and safe.

This all could be very interesting but it all could be a big repeat of the election in the UK.

Can I just sort something out for you.


Collective bargaining as per Unions = High quality hookers and class A for the boys

Individual negotiating = Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me

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The CFMEU is basically a criminal gang masquerading as a labour movement

Each to their own

The Andrews government takes Australia-hating to new heights. The socialist governments of Qld and SA are bad enough but Vic takes the hatred and lies to new heights

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I realise this is one of your current catch phrases...but in the spirit of 'hoping it helps' can you elaborate?

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I can indeedy

Western socialists by their very nature, hate their country. So Labour in the UK, hate the UK for instance. Labor/Greens in Australia, hate Australia

It is very difficult for a socialist to be a patriot

Nothing new here champ, I've been writing this for years

Hope this helps

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Except you didn't.

Nope.

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Suit yourself

Everything you need to know on this is in post #10

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All I can say is that being on the receiving end of the CFMEU "looking after the safety of the workers" has nothing to do with their safety, but more to do with showing that they have capacity to flex their muscles!!

That's it. Just so you know. See how many organisers have been through the courts and lost.

TD

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..... and the "brick with eye's" and his mates just voted for a DD election. Game on.

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But that starts with 'western socialists by their very nature, hate their country'. If there was a Labour government in power in the UK or Australia and the Conservatives/Liberal Coalition campaigned to win power at an election you'd also say the right wing hate their country? i.e. if someone has different values to you they don't automatically 'hate their country' (except in your mind perhaps). Hope that helps.

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Socialists hate the the west - always have, always will

Shorten, Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Gillard, Rudd, Wilson, Hollande, Zuma, Trudeau all fit the bill

It is very difficult to be a socialist and a patriot. It happens sometimes but is very rare

Nature of the beast

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You can repeat this ad infinitum, it still makes little or no sense to anyone else.

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When asked to explain why they 'hate the west' you reply always have, always will and it is very difficult to be a socialist and a patriot which are both pure figments of your own imagination.

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It makes perfect sense but believe what you want to believe. No skin off my nose

Everyone's a winner

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It makes perfect sense but believe what you want to believe. No skin off my nose

Everyone's a winner

PS So true I even posted it twice!

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I'm not exactly sure how you could point out someone who "hated their country"?

I guess an emigrant might be a good pointer?

Otherwise it would be someone who placed something else above their country, surely? Connected with traitors, they would need to chase after something else.

So, a religious zealot who looked to rome for instructions could be said to potentially hate their country. Similarly someone who placed money above their country would happily sell it out for more gold.

And if the country is the people, someone who placed money over people would hate their country, surely?

I think you can see where I'm going with that logical progression....

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The most advanced countries in the world currently are all socialist....Democratic Socialist that is... and that's your Scandinavians. Call a Dane a Swede and vice versa and you'll find out how much they love their individual countries. If anything Australia is aspring to become as forward thinking as them... It's on the right track.

As for independant thinking and a sense of self re the union movement, look up the Eureka Stockade, which is the birth place of unionism in Australia..in Victoria of course.

That's what this flag is all about... As seen above all CFMEU sites across the country.

http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/im...0534749246.jpg

Not sure this will help as you cant help those with closed minds. But I've tried.

The spirit of Eureka will win this election for the workers.

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Sweden's unions are a little different to yours. They role with the times, activity encourage free trade and globalisation. They even support unemployment insurance. Their philosophy works with government, rather than against. People want to join as opposed to here where the union bullies you to join with little in it for your annual fee.

The Abbott backed long maternity leave was a bit Scandinavian don't you think? Rather than pressuring well earning, high tax paying women back into the workforce before they are ready, most women don't last, or they take a mediocre position to juggle work and child. But your mates in the ALP killed that off.

Minimum wage, the unions in Scandy sort that out, but there's no need for it here any more. The government have the highest minimum in the world under control.

Workers rights - under control and governed by your governmemt.

So really Ozzie, by hanging onto this Australian union thing you are just asking the union to keep the government in check, rather than asking your union to proactively do stuff.

See the difference? You are flogging a dying horse, an old model, if they don't re-invent they will die.

By voting labour you are asking for a dying union mediocrity - not much to offer there. You are better of throwing your weight behind the greens if you like the social democrate thing.

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You're all hack amateurs compared to what is going on over here at the moment! :rolleyes:

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Australia is wealthier and healthier than all Scandy countries apart from Norway (our only peer in Europe). They have levels of taxation that most Australians of all political persuasions would find unacceptable - the Scandy mindset is very different from the individualist outlook of Anglo-celtic countries - their people accept levels of government control in their lives that many here would not be happy with. But ultimately what are you railing against? We have the highest minimum wage in the world, our workers are pampered and have extensive legal protection, more than half of workers take more out of the taxation system than they put in and the same amount rely on governments for all or the majority of their income. Unions cause unnecessary unemployment but offer a great gig if you can get in on the gravy train. By all international standards, Australia is one of the fairest, wealthiest countries on the planet

The Eureka flag comes from a time when there was genuine social injustice in Australia - a time long gone. The CFMEU has hijacked the flag for its own ends - ends that are basically criminal

We are never going to agree on this but if you think that Australia is ready for the CFMEU to rule Australia through its proxy, Bill Shorten, then I think that you are deluding yourself. Yes, the CFMEU owns the Victorian government (and to a lesser extent, Qld's) but in NSW and WA they do not. The vast majority of people know that the current union movement destroys jobs and wealth and I reckon they would not be happy with them controlling the country. Turnbull's got this one

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I have to admit, I'm a little unsure what the social democrats are asking for as well. Tax the tax dodgers ...... OK I can run with that like most centralist and right wingers can.

But I agree with you, from poor to wealthy, Australia has probably one of the giving systems in the world.

Which is why I cannot understand why anyone in their right mind would want to hand over government to a dying party who's only real agenda is unionism ...... today we simply do not need it.

This is going to go the way of the UK election, and I suspect the Greens are going to pick up a fair share of the Labour ashes.

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Indeed. The merkins are star performers when it comes to crassness :nod:

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The Labour big squeeze is on.

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-labors-looming-electoral-threat-from-young-people-in-one-chart-20160421-gobrv4.html

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I'd prefer a government like that as well. A government prepared to tackle the corporates and go after the tax rightly due, a government prepared to tackle the housing crisis in Australia, a government not afraid to bring the top end of town into line.


A government that rules for all in other words and not a few.

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Contrary to what you suggest. The Neo Liberal model direction of running an economy is what has been proven to be ineffective both as an economic model and seriously a danger to the mental health of workers.


Without the unions and umpires (both have limitations) in position to at least oversee that legal requirements are conducted by employers in treatment of their employees we'd likely on the evidence witnessed over recent years, be living in a even nastier work place environment with an excessive numbers of psychopaths in positions to cause damage riding rough shot over peoples lives.

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Quite probably a reason why Danes have yet again ben voted happiest people in the world. Having worked in Denmark, along with three other European countries what is very noticeable compared to Australia , is far greater certainty. Regulations don't tend to change every other year. People have a pension system they can still depend on although age levels to receive such a payment is increasing.


Australia following the rest of the Anglo world is for declining welfare nets while over compensating the rich and corporations.


Even autocratic Singapore, had the nous to provide affordable housing to all their citizens in a country that became unaffordable to buy for most people.
Australia on the other hand is increasingly leaving more people to own devises or with at best minimal support.
We are a very conservative country that doesn't tend to protest too loudly and accept far too readily associated policy accompanying that stance.
The French would be out in the streets refusing to go under.


I'd suggest owning to the nature of the community it is far too soon to bid adieu to such complacency or to an end to people's thoughts that a dramatic change is in order. Something Labor would likely prove wanting in filling.

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More scare mongering once again ignoring the fact that corporates do pay their requirement of tax and any tax dodging is rightfully exposed by the ATO.

On housing, is there a crisis? Another scare tactic? Whilst negative gearing itself is a bad tax relief (you shouldn't be rewarded for making a loss on your investments) its in place and you can't remove it without bad ramifications. Thankfully the Libs have pulled in the short sighted ideas of the ALP.

NG helps the poor and middle wealth holders. It helps these people get on the property ladder and helps these people maintain an investment property. It doesn't help the wealthy. The wealthy don't use loans to service loss making investments.

This is where the ALP have it all wrong. They would just be hurting their own.

What the government should be doing is fleecing the foreign investor, hiking stamp duty or another tax for that group alone, and passing that back to the first home buyer. If you want to buy Australian, and the demand is there, which it is, you pay. The governments job is to raise revenue ..... its right there.

I think you a being fed a bunch of lies by your soon to be defunct ALP.

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Nocookies | The Australian

...as will be implemented by the whatever hating allegedly socialist Andrews Labor govt in Victoria. However I am fairly sure the opposition and certainly real estate industry will be opposed. If it impacts the capital growth of 'mum & dad' investors it makes their already loss making investment property less viable.

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LNP have got it wrong again. I would think most "mum and dad" investors are more concerned about the futures of their children and grandchildren than of their own self-enrichment. It's time to substantially tax foreign-based property investors and to phase out negative gearing.

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No scare mongering at all. Corporates do not pay their fair share as is well recognised. Yet they demand lower business tax on one hand but greater infrastructure on the other.


NG favours the wealthier investors as shown in recent figures with the Australian housing market dominated by investors and first home buyers at record lows.
A disaster in the making especially in the main population centres. What is astounding is that you and fellow travellers continue to support the ridiculous situation we find ourselves as a nation in and the denial in quarters that we have a problem of magnitude.


It doesn't look like even overseas buyers, now going cool on the Sydney market and showing interest in Brisbane will save the day of maintaining over inflated house prices.


What the government certainly shouldn't be doing is giving money to first home buyers which is a complete turkey, only increasing prices at the bottom.
They should certainly be taxing empty apartments and houses of foreign investors though left empty by choice and arrest the laundering of foreign funds into the Australian housing market.

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It is indeed but sadly we are not quite at the tipping point yet. Still more gaining in per cent terms from excessive housing inflation that those knocked out permanently at current levels. The equation will change though and a correction will not be a pretty sight but necessary for the well being of the nation. Hell of a price to pay due to cheap money. Raise interest rates and shake out some of the poncy speculators. Reward savers and get back to fundamentals.

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Be assured the so called Libs/Real Estate industry/Bankers/ and assorted vested interests making piles with the present unsubstantial system in place will cry foul but who cares?
The people deserve and will in time demand better. I think the crop of thirty year olds plus, still living at home brings home the point to many of the older generations.

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I can't read your article. No matter what I try to circumvent the fee, its not happening.

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Really. Where is this demand? Governments demand lower business tax to keep competitive. Businesses don't care. They just take their business to the lowest bidder.

You would like NG to favour the wealthy so you can have a typically resentful moan, but it actually assists the average investor and the young investor. There may be a few manufactured stats on a few left wing publications, but they admit themselves, they don't really know.

As I said to you earlier, the wealthy don't go for a Negative G, they go for a Positive G. It makes business sense.

In bold, where did I say that? You just made that up and can't be taken seriously again.

I think you'll find I have said before the current state is worrying. I have said there is going to be a large ownership gap. I don't like NG but I also recognise a dramatic transform is can create dramatic disasters.

Smart move. Why invest somewhere that is retracting?

We agree. Your reason is resentment. That's where we don't.

Governments are there to make money with our trading partners. That includes foreign investors. That said, must be careful not to kill stuff in the process. Some areas of new building zones in Sydney are already seeing a 20% drop in value. This can discourage new building which screws the construction industry. Great when things a booming though.

FWIW I have no vested interest here. I have never owned property.

How's that super fund of yours looking? Have you dug out your tax perks yet?

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There is no argument NG favours more the rich by its very nature, which is why one half of the gains made from this dreadful tax dodge are in the top 10% of earners.


Not forgetting the political elite of course, where the top six property owners among the Coalition MP's own 99 properties between them.
Little wonder there is little ticker to tackle the subject on the government side and no wonder they condemn Labor's plan at reform.


The continued cutting of services to the middle class and poor has not gone unnoticed and just face it neoliberal policy is well and truly on the nose.


The resentment being, among most clear thinking people , is how ideology of recent years (probably since the Howard/Costello tax and super concessions followed by the GFC and cheap money) has resulted in the situation we now find ourselves in.


Where is the demand you ask? I think the shelving of the first Abbott/Hockey budget will point you in the right direction.