Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
Nov 25th 2011, 10:50 pm
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
Has anyone intimated that someone's mother smells yet?
Tedious.
Tedious.
Nov 25th 2011, 11:29 pm
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
Australia currently suffers from an overvalued currency. Because other countries have cut their rates to near zero, and because Australia's rate is still high, it gets hit in the currency markets (also because it still has a pre-GFC economy).
That won't last.
Sooner or later things will rebalance - either via the Dutch disease, China having a recession/collapsing, or politicians actively screwing up. These are the good times, the times when you should be running a surplus and be building capabilities for the future, but...
If you look at the immigration policies, they are actively attempting to drive down migration from India and China such that the society doesn't get out of wack. With the new visa structure that's aim is likely to continue and expand. While Brits are not going to Oz because of the current exchange rate, once that sorts itself out, so will the migration rate.
Nothing serious has changed in the desire - just the finance part doesn't make a lot of sense, and the visa requirements are overly onerous.
That won't last.
Sooner or later things will rebalance - either via the Dutch disease, China having a recession/collapsing, or politicians actively screwing up. These are the good times, the times when you should be running a surplus and be building capabilities for the future, but...
If you look at the immigration policies, they are actively attempting to drive down migration from India and China such that the society doesn't get out of wack. With the new visa structure that's aim is likely to continue and expand. While Brits are not going to Oz because of the current exchange rate, once that sorts itself out, so will the migration rate.
Nothing serious has changed in the desire - just the finance part doesn't make a lot of sense, and the visa requirements are overly onerous.
Nov 26th 2011, 12:42 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
I guess I'd rather read people who have a balanced view rather than pro one 'side' or the other.
When I read a news item either for or against the UK or Australia, it's quite sad that I can lay odds on who will post it on the forum. Or if the subject title is ambiguous, just by looking at the author will generally tell me exactly what slant the thread will take without even having to open it.
God knows why I'm on this thread, lol... oh yeah, I'm an eternal optimist.
When I read a news item either for or against the UK or Australia, it's quite sad that I can lay odds on who will post it on the forum. Or if the subject title is ambiguous, just by looking at the author will generally tell me exactly what slant the thread will take without even having to open it.
God knows why I'm on this thread, lol... oh yeah, I'm an eternal optimist.
Nov 26th 2011, 1:27 am
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Nov 26th 2011, 2:04 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
I've been here 30 years and can tell you exactly what is happening..... Australia is starting to seriously align with it's geographical partners rather than it's historical old World past.
The UK/European influence is starting to decline. The apron ties are being cut quite rapidly at present. Aus will be a totally different country in 30 years time with a very heavy South East Asian emphasis. When the Sun rises over Asia, Australia will be a pivotal part. The pertinent question is, will the UK be able to keep up. ? I'd like to see your gut reaction to that one.
We're getting as many migrants as we ever did, They are just from Asia now. When it comes to the Chinese, They are probably some of the Wealthiest and dynamic migrants this Country has ever seen. Edit Great intergrators as well. :sunglasses:
The UK/European influence is starting to decline. The apron ties are being cut quite rapidly at present. Aus will be a totally different country in 30 years time with a very heavy South East Asian emphasis. When the Sun rises over Asia, Australia will be a pivotal part. The pertinent question is, will the UK be able to keep up. ? I'd like to see your gut reaction to that one.
We're getting as many migrants as we ever did, They are just from Asia now. When it comes to the Chinese, They are probably some of the Wealthiest and dynamic migrants this Country has ever seen. Edit Great intergrators as well. :sunglasses:
I've lived through the 'fear' and expectation that Russia, Germany, Japan were all going to take over the world economically but they didn't, how will China be any different and make it a reality? From what I'm reading, their economy is faltering right now.
Nov 26th 2011, 2:06 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
, think its around 9 bucks here
Love that sketch and the whole film of course.
Nov 26th 2011, 2:25 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
In the 10 years we have been back Australia has become much more expensive in almost every way, we apparently have the fastest increasing grocery prices in the developed world and utilities costs have shot up along with housing and most other things. All this has absolutely nothing to do with Britain devaluing it's currency. Australia has just become very expensive.
Nov 26th 2011, 5:52 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
I'd rather see Australia growing with Asia. Europe is a sinking ageing boat anyway.
Last edited by Alfresco; Nov 26th 2011 at 5:55 am. Reason: fixed small typo
Nov 26th 2011, 6:32 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
The way the points are arranged today there is much of an emphasis on very good, native-level, English. Lots of points on offer for the high points scores. By default that makes it harder for non-English speakers to get in.
In addition, the two stage process they are looking to implement means they get to pick and choose who is allowed to move to stage II, and therefore the criteria can be tailored to select for particular groups.
They are being circumspect about it, but the emphasis is there. Mind I don't have a problem with this, all countries end up selecting on the basis of cultures and political drivers - its a fact of life and a reality of cultural mix management.
In addition, the two stage process they are looking to implement means they get to pick and choose who is allowed to move to stage II, and therefore the criteria can be tailored to select for particular groups.
They are being circumspect about it, but the emphasis is there. Mind I don't have a problem with this, all countries end up selecting on the basis of cultures and political drivers - its a fact of life and a reality of cultural mix management.
Nov 26th 2011, 8:28 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
Asian students are more often than not right at the top of the school rankings, above Australians, Europeans, British and everyone else really.
Nov 26th 2011, 8:44 am
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Re: Brits no longer dreaming of a life in Australia
Yes they are certainly hardworking, and they do indeed have higher scores in Maths and some aspects of Engineering. What they tend to be pretty bad at is design, lateral thinking, free thinking and problem solving. Probably why most of great design engineering comes from the West.