Boat people pour in.
Mar 30th 2010, 2:02 am
#31
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Re: Boat people pour in.
No, he didn't - see earlier chart.
The number of people arriving is statistically insignificant - a drop in the ocean of people that leave and arrive in Australia every year.
This is complete nonsense. The vast majority of asylum seekers in Australia are investigated and genuine refugee status is established for more than 90%; the rest are deported.
The real question is why keep them on Christmas Island, where there is insufficient labour, land and facilities, with the result that "island processing" costs vastly more than it would do on the mainland. It was entirely a political stunt.
The number of people arriving is statistically insignificant - a drop in the ocean of people that leave and arrive in Australia every year.
This is complete nonsense. The vast majority of asylum seekers in Australia are investigated and genuine refugee status is established for more than 90%; the rest are deported.
The real question is why keep them on Christmas Island, where there is insufficient labour, land and facilities, with the result that "island processing" costs vastly more than it would do on the mainland. It was entirely a political stunt.
boat people -from the time of THE PACIFIC SOLUTION ,arrivals averaged 20
boats a year (I,m sure the ABC website would still have this ) ,since CRUDD
took power it is nearly back to pre TPS.
The numbers in themselves are immaterial ,its paying a people smuggler to
jump the processing queue.
I thought Christmas Island was picked to keep the blood sucking lawyers out
of the public purse.
Mar 30th 2010, 11:13 am
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Re: Boat people pour in.
It all sounds so very similar to the situation in the UK.
Mar 30th 2010, 12:43 pm
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Mar 30th 2010, 1:00 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
Where are these Boat people coming from from what the news tells me Sri-lanka and Afganistan etc
The distance involved and the risk tells its own story here. the decision is being made "We want to get to Australia" as opposed to the decision "We want to get out of here".
90% of the posters here made the same decision in regards Australia so its not a wrong decision it just means you have meet criteria.
The distance involved and the risk tells its own story here. the decision is being made "We want to get to Australia" as opposed to the decision "We want to get out of here".
90% of the posters here made the same decision in regards Australia so its not a wrong decision it just means you have meet criteria.
Mar 30th 2010, 4:09 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
If you watch the ABC -on Monday night they did a program on the arrival of
boat people -from the time of THE PACIFIC SOLUTION ,arrivals averaged 20
boats a year (I,m sure the ABC website would still have this ) ,since CRUDD
took power it is nearly back to pre TPS.
The numbers in themselves are immaterial ,its paying a people smuggler to
jump the processing queue.
I thought Christmas Island was picked to keep the blood sucking lawyers out
of the public purse.
boat people -from the time of THE PACIFIC SOLUTION ,arrivals averaged 20
boats a year (I,m sure the ABC website would still have this ) ,since CRUDD
took power it is nearly back to pre TPS.
The numbers in themselves are immaterial ,its paying a people smuggler to
jump the processing queue.
I thought Christmas Island was picked to keep the blood sucking lawyers out
of the public purse.
1999–00 4,175
2000–01 4,137
2001–02 3,039
<-- THE PACIFIC SOLUTION -->
2002–03 0
2003–04 82
2004–05 0
2005–06 61
2006–07 133
2007–08 25
2008–09 1,033
Mar 30th 2010, 4:15 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
Yes he did, 
see the earlier chart that you referred to...
You will notice it dropped to near zero after the (in)famous "Pacific Solution"
see the earlier chart that you referred to...You will notice it dropped to near zero after the (in)famous "Pacific Solution"
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Mar 30th 2010, 4:21 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
The Pacific Solution was implemented at a time when asylum seekers worldwide were low, and much lower than the preceeding years...the numbers coming to Australia fell as they did elsewhere in the world at the same time - even in places that didn't have a 'solution'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Solution
Worldwide refugee applications peaked on a 20 year high in 2001, and fell by around 50% by 2006. This period coincided with the Pacific Solution implementation and makes it difficult to judge the true efficacy of the program.
Mar 30th 2010, 4:25 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
A real refugee is someone climbing through barb wire escaping from Zimbabwe into South Africa for a better life. THAT is a genuine refugee.
Someone who buys a plane ticket from Afghanistan to Turkey and then another ticket from Turkey to Indonesia and then gets a boat to Australia is NOT a genuine refugee. (And many have done this, and the bleeding hearts don’t see anything wrong with it).
If you are a genuine refugee you will escape to the nearest safest country – no pay to travel past several safe countries to head for Australia.
What about the thousands of genuine refugees in camps around the world waiting to be picked for a place in Australia only to find out they have to wait longer as the quota has been filled by these illegals.
It’s like the people who run through the channel tunnel to the to the UK – if they were real refugees they would have applied for asylum in one of the many European countries they passed through to get to the tunnel.
In my opinion the boat should be sent straight back to where it came from.
Someone who buys a plane ticket from Afghanistan to Turkey and then another ticket from Turkey to Indonesia and then gets a boat to Australia is NOT a genuine refugee. (And many have done this, and the bleeding hearts don’t see anything wrong with it).
If you are a genuine refugee you will escape to the nearest safest country – no pay to travel past several safe countries to head for Australia.
What about the thousands of genuine refugees in camps around the world waiting to be picked for a place in Australia only to find out they have to wait longer as the quota has been filled by these illegals.
It’s like the people who run through the channel tunnel to the to the UK – if they were real refugees they would have applied for asylum in one of the many European countries they passed through to get to the tunnel.
In my opinion the boat should be sent straight back to where it came from.
Mar 30th 2010, 4:27 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
Did he?
The Pacific Solution was implemented at a time when asylum seekers worldwide were low, and much lower than the preceeding years...the numbers coming to Australia fell as they did elsewhere in the world at the same time - even in places that didn't have a 'solution'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Solution
Worldwide refugee applications peaked on a 20 year high in 2001, and fell by around 50% by 2006. This period coincided with the Pacific Solution implementation and makes it difficult to judge the true efficacy of the program.
The Pacific Solution was implemented at a time when asylum seekers worldwide were low, and much lower than the preceeding years...the numbers coming to Australia fell as they did elsewhere in the world at the same time - even in places that didn't have a 'solution'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Solution
Worldwide refugee applications peaked on a 20 year high in 2001, and fell by around 50% by 2006. This period coincided with the Pacific Solution implementation and makes it difficult to judge the true efficacy of the program.
Mar 30th 2010, 4:36 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
A real refugee is someone climbing through barb wire escaping from Zimbabwe into South Africa for a better life. THAT is a genuine refugee.
Someone who buys a plane ticket from Afghanistan to Turkey and then another ticket from Turkey to Indonesia and then gets a boat to Australia is NOT a genuine refugee. (And many have done this, and the bleeding hearts don’t see anything wrong with it).
If you are a genuine refugee you will escape to the nearest safest country – no pay to travel past several safe countries to head for Australia.
What about the thousands of genuine refugees in camps around the world waiting to be picked for a place in Australia only to find out they have to wait longer as the quota has been filled by these illegals.
It’s like the people who run through the channel tunnel to the to the UK – if they were real refugees they would have applied for asylum in one of the many European countries they passed through to get to the tunnel.
In my opinion the boat should be sent straight back to where it came from.
Someone who buys a plane ticket from Afghanistan to Turkey and then another ticket from Turkey to Indonesia and then gets a boat to Australia is NOT a genuine refugee. (And many have done this, and the bleeding hearts don’t see anything wrong with it).
If you are a genuine refugee you will escape to the nearest safest country – no pay to travel past several safe countries to head for Australia.
What about the thousands of genuine refugees in camps around the world waiting to be picked for a place in Australia only to find out they have to wait longer as the quota has been filled by these illegals.
It’s like the people who run through the channel tunnel to the to the UK – if they were real refugees they would have applied for asylum in one of the many European countries they passed through to get to the tunnel.
In my opinion the boat should be sent straight back to where it came from.
Couldnt agree more with you.
I have family in uk & they are always moaning about all of them coming to uk from the Tunnel & taking alot of work e.t.c. And working Illegal They moved right of of London to get away in the country.
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Mar 30th 2010, 4:47 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
Just noticed this is a favourite subject of yours:
http://www.abcdiamond.com/australia/...and-australia/
...strange you didn't mention the early years of the Howard government when boat people arrivals were so high, would seem like a key fact on the subject?
Political affiliations getting in the way?
Anyway using your previous logic, John Howard caused a huge spike in boat people arrivals from about 1997 onwards - true?
http://www.abcdiamond.com/australia/...and-australia/
...strange you didn't mention the early years of the Howard government when boat people arrivals were so high, would seem like a key fact on the subject?
Political affiliations getting in the way?
Anyway using your previous logic, John Howard caused a huge spike in boat people arrivals from about 1997 onwards - true?
Mar 30th 2010, 5:49 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
Mar 30th 2010, 6:31 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
John Howard inherited labor's legislation concerning "boat people". By the later stages of his tenure that legislation had been amended so that there were very few boats coming to Australia. The acceptance of these boat people into the country simply underlines that money talks. I would send everyone of them back to whence they came. They have the money to pay thousands of dollars to people smugglers whilst many more genuine refugees, without money, languish in refugee camps waiting and hoping to get the chance of a new life. I think the people in these camps are more deserving of a new life. Without the boat people we could give more of them the chance they deserve.
Mar 30th 2010, 6:33 pm
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Re: Boat people pour in.
John Howard inherited labor's legislation concerning "boat people". By the later stages of his tenure that legislation had been amended so that there were very few boats coming to Australia. The acceptance of these boat people into the country simply underlines that money talks. I would send everyone of them back to whence they came. They have the money to pay thousands of dollars to people smugglers whilst many more genuine refugees, without money, languish in refugee camps waiting and hoping to get the chance of a new life. I think the people in these camps are more deserving of a new life. Without the boat people we could give more of them the chance they deserve.
Mar 30th 2010, 6:39 pm
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