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Old Dec 21st 2017, 11:03 pm
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Not needed, no demand, however other occupations removed from the list were restored after consultation with industry.

Consultation over the tutor determined no requirement.

And thats what we want, a government willing to adapt and move when required.

What we don't need is immigrants are deemed "intelligent, creative, educated" sitting on the sideline.
Lists did not reflect demand of course with IT, accountants among numerous others flooding a saturated market at expense of home market.


The government brought in changes, hardly far enough, but only after pressure at the 'over generosity', not to say indulgence of previous lists where you may well be stretched to find a job that wasn't on the list.


Of course the university link to immigration being another major source as well as selling point to overseas students,
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Nope. Incorrect. You select people as a first pass, then drill down into the detail and grey areas. Its a complex strategy covering a huge area. Its not something you get right first pass and nor should you. You work at it and evolve it.

If we followed your strategy it would be another Labor screw up. Never getting shit done. Your lot have a history of turning everything they touch into a pile of steaming turd. The other lot achieve. They do things. They make life good for the masses, not for the minor few who give very little back.

You can sell the Labor party all you like but they are just scum, and get worse with time. Get over it.
Quite simply the Conservative Party of Australia, wrongly termed Liberals, have no policy whatsoever, outside of dismantling the welfare state where ever possible, replace that with corporate welfare in the form of tax cuts, run a mass migration policy (hardly alone there, granted) in order to attempt to keep an overinflated house price market, while putting pressure on wages (hence wage stagnation) and ever more competition in the work place.


Quite simply, create a ever increasingly unequal society, ever few have ever more of national wealth, create fear in the work place with reducing working conditions, more laws, regulations and control.


You call this making life better for the masses. Sadly deluded into the workings of right wing parties, I'm afraid.


As I have mentioned before, no wonder the masses are seeking out salvation with populist parties . One thing your ill named Liberal Party is not, that is a party for the masses. No matter how many times you write that, it will not eventuate through the use of words.......
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maybe you'd like to continue reading what I wrote



See, nuance.

Which is why liberal maladministration is the antithesis of good policy. They select for the wrong people, for the wrong reasons, on the basis of political game playing, not strategy or understanding.
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Apart from Germany not having 1.5 million Syrian Muslims of course.
Yes, you're right, silly me

It's 1.4 million
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Yes, you're right, silly me

It's 1.4 million
Source ?

https://www.thelocal.de/20170427/ger...n-eu-last-year
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Labor and the CFMEU
Australia posses some of the harshest anti union laws in developed world.


So named Lib's find a conflict of their interests with unions on the ground.
Hence belittle and denigrate at every turn.
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Even going by your 'source' that amounts to nothing in the region of 1.4 million Syrians, because simply it isn't true.


Three quarters of all Syrian refugees in the EU context comes to some 300,000 plus with the figures provided there. There would be in the region of probably 600,000 Syrians, far from all Muslim (though the majority are) with the rest coming rom Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, African Continent and so on. Germany is somewhat reserved on giving out actual figures but in excess of a million in total refugees and well under 1.4 million appears to be accurate figure in German language stats. This year has seen Germany repatriating more considered not to be refugees.


Prior to the recent Middle East upheaval, Former Yugoslavia was by far the biggest source. A number of these people have been removed as well,
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Quite simply the Conservative Party of Australia, wrongly termed Liberals, have no policy whatsoever, outside of dismantling the welfare state where ever possible, replace that with corporate welfare in the form of tax cuts, run a mass migration policy (hardly alone there, granted) in order to attempt to keep an overinflated house price market, while putting pressure on wages (hence wage stagnation) and ever more competition in the work place.


Quite simply, create a ever increasingly unequal society, ever few have ever more of national wealth, create fear in the work place with reducing working conditions, more laws, regulations and control.


You call this making life better for the masses. Sadly deluded into the workings of right wing parties, I'm afraid.


As I have mentioned before, no wonder the masses are seeking out salvation with populist parties . One thing your ill named Liberal Party is not, that is a party for the masses. No matter how many times you write that, it will not eventuate through the use of words.......
The masses are not in unions.

Life is moving on and leaving you on the shelf.

Unlucky Kentucky.
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The masses are not in unions.

Life is moving on and leaving you on the shelf.

Unlucky Kentucky.


Well it is certainly leaving most Australians behind. High priced over inflated cities like Sydney where un productive areas like banking and financial industries drain the economy.


Life is developing in a way most people do not want but feel powerless to prevent.


Housing unaffordability being a major disincentive to a city like Sydney.
The funny part being there are those convinced it will carry on indefinitely.


Actually very lucky to be able to not be concerned on a personal level much about. A shame for the nation though and those less fortunate for what appears to be in store for it.
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Well it is certainly leaving most Australians behind. High priced over inflated cities like Sydney where un productive areas like banking and financial industries drain the economy.


Life is developing in a way most people do not want but feel powerless to prevent.


Housing unaffordability being a major disincentive to a city like Sydney.
The funny part being there are those convinced it will carry on indefinitely.


Actually very lucky to be able to not be concerned on a personal level much about. A shame for the nation though and those less fortunate for what appears to be in store for it.
What a load of rubbish.

The shit you read in the press is all about self entitled 20 something hipsters moaning about not being about to afford the Surry Hills terrace.

Here's news to you and the 20 something hipsters. Buy an apartment at the foot of the property ladder. Or if a house is the dream there's always the western suburbs.

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What a load of rubbish.

The shit you read in the press is all about self entitled 20 something hipsters moaning about not being about to afford the Surry Hills terrace.

Here's news to you and the 20 something hipsters. Buy an apartment at the foot of the property ladder. Or if a house is the dream there's always the western suburbs.
No Sydney like Frisco, has shot itself in the foot. Corrective beginnings to reversal are showing the green shoots of blooming. Happy days ahead for those that prefer a return to sanity,although of course the can, can be kicked further down the road, by interference in order to shore up prices for longer.


I'm afraid a Ponzi model for ordinary residents is unambiguously negative.
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Lets crunch a few figures.


Net immigration was 245,000 over past twelve months.


That equates a 27.1% increase over preceding year.


Australia has an unemployment rate of 5.4% in official figures. In raw numbers that makes 707,000 unemployed .


1.1 million are listed as under employed. That takes the total to 1.8 million.


With around 250,000 new migrants to the country each year , there is little incentive, to train or give workers a pay rise above what is called for in annual national rises.
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Lets crunch a few figures.
Net immigration was 245,000 over past twelve months
That equates a 27.1% increase over preceding year.
Australia has an unemployment rate of 5.4% in official figures. In raw numbers that makes 707,000 unemployed .
1.1 million are listed as under employed. That takes the total to 1.8 million.
With around 250,000 new migrants to the country each year , there is little incentive, to train or give workers a pay rise above what is called for in annual national rises.
Well, apart from the fact that this is skilled migration, and most of that 5.4% probably aren't capable of doing said skilled jobs.

Sure you can use immigrants to keep down salaries, but it's not a direct cause and effect type thing. Hell, if they were doing that then saturating the tradie occupations to cut the overcharging and improve the responsiveness is a policy I think most could get behind. Bring over 10,000 Polish plumbers tomorrow ...
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Well, apart from the fact that this is skilled migration, and most of that 5.4% probably aren't capable of doing said skilled jobs.

Sure you can use immigrants to keep down salaries, but it's not a direct cause and effect type thing. Hell, if they were doing that then saturating the tradie occupations to cut the overcharging and improve the responsiveness is a policy I think most could get behind. Bring over 10,000 Polish plumbers tomorrow ...
I doubt if people will be capable if training is not part of the agenda. Obviously it is more cost effective to employ overseas workers and 457's.


During a time where housing in one shape or another takes a lot of the economic activity there will be obviously many workers in various 'trade' fields employed, regardless of competency. I've had a few duds over time, gained from local papers and the like. I get the feeling many that advertise are not really trades but 'handymen' and agree do charge a bomb.


When the down turn kicks in the chaff will be sorted though. I witnessed it in 2000 when there was competition and contemptuous workers were thinner on the ground.


No idea why more trades type workers from The Philippines, as an example and high up in immigration numbers to Australia have not got into the country. Perhaps less have a formal education in skill than those from UK and Ireland.


Few positions are not included in the skills list. Do you think that could have any sort of relation as to why so many people with professional skills end up driving taxis, buses, and the like? Could over subscription be a part of the reason?
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