Australian Natives
Aug 22nd 2006, 8:46 pm
#76
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Deadmeat
Matey, I've just tried to give you some King Monkey Karma but she just cannae take any more cap'n!
I wandered into this thread hoping to learn more about the habits of our marsupial friends and this is what it descends to ...
I wandered into this thread hoping to learn more about the habits of our marsupial friends and this is what it descends to ...
I sent you some K back and IT WORKED...!!!
Yeah, I thought I'd lighten things up a bit in this thread cos some people seem to be losing the plot at each other.
Doesn't seem to have worked very well, does it???
Aug 22nd 2006, 9:17 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Scossie
Cheers Matt.
I sent you some K back and IT WORKED...!!!
Yeah, I thought I'd lighten things up a bit in this thread cos some people seem to be losing the plot at each other.
Doesn't seem to have worked very well, does it???
I sent you some K back and IT WORKED...!!!
Yeah, I thought I'd lighten things up a bit in this thread cos some people seem to be losing the plot at each other.
Doesn't seem to have worked very well, does it???
Aug 22nd 2006, 10:23 pm
#78
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by annqldau
It's due to the native affect, you can't expect expat natives to act civilised and socialise happily with each other... :scared: :scared: :scared: .
They even argue over things like grammar.
BTW I think that should be "effect" in your post.
It's the effect that affects them
Aug 23rd 2006, 3:16 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Okay, you lived as a white person in Australia for 12 years, what did YOU yourself do to help them? At the end of the day, people can critisise what others do or do not do, but at the end we are all members of society and we all have a responsibility, it is easy to blame everyone else. Even moreso those who take citizenship and don't necessarily give anything back but expect everything. Australia is a new country, made up of mostly migrants, and everyone on this forum who has emigrated there makes up that society. You don't like how things are, then get off your butts and do something to help.
Originally Posted by MikeStanton
I don't mean to be harsh, but it's a typical whining Oz excuse.
It's a thinly-disguised version of "Well, we white Australians do our best, but the Aborigines just don't want to know. So, it's not our fault."
Except it is.
Nobody said it was easy, but native Australians have one of the lowest life expectancies in the world, worse than Maoris and Native Americans - both of which have made far better progress. And Aboriginal death in police custody has exceeded South Africa during the apartheid years ("Oops, there goes another one; hanging himself with a toothbrush...")
I met a lot of Australians in Oz, and most don't give a damn about Aborigines; they just wish they'd disappear as they just see them as tarnishing Oz's "good" name. Talk about naive.
Oz has had more than 100 years to address the issue. And it has failed miserably.
The UN rightly accuses Oz, yet again, of practising intitutionalised racism on the real Australians. Oz racism bubbles below a very shallow surface.
Shame, Australia, shame.
It's a thinly-disguised version of "Well, we white Australians do our best, but the Aborigines just don't want to know. So, it's not our fault."
Except it is.
Nobody said it was easy, but native Australians have one of the lowest life expectancies in the world, worse than Maoris and Native Americans - both of which have made far better progress. And Aboriginal death in police custody has exceeded South Africa during the apartheid years ("Oops, there goes another one; hanging himself with a toothbrush...")
I met a lot of Australians in Oz, and most don't give a damn about Aborigines; they just wish they'd disappear as they just see them as tarnishing Oz's "good" name. Talk about naive.
Oz has had more than 100 years to address the issue. And it has failed miserably.
The UN rightly accuses Oz, yet again, of practising intitutionalised racism on the real Australians. Oz racism bubbles below a very shallow surface.
Shame, Australia, shame.
Aug 23rd 2006, 2:48 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Bix
Very true.
They even argue over things like grammar.
BTW I think that should be "effect" in your post.
It's the effect that affects them
They even argue over things like grammar.
BTW I think that should be "effect" in your post.
It's the effect that affects them
Well I started to put effect but, as I'm usually wrong I changed it to affect... my husband normally picks on my grammar & spelling but he was missing...
. Problem is I'm perfect at everything else in life so have to have a weak spot.
Aug 23rd 2006, 7:25 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Mercedes
Okay, you lived as a white person in Australia for 12 years, what did YOU yourself do to help them? At the end of the day, people can critisise what others do or do not do, but at the end we are all members of society and we all have a responsibility, it is easy to blame everyone else. Even moreso those who take citizenship and don't necessarily give anything back but expect everything. Australia is a new country, made up of mostly migrants, and everyone on this forum who has emigrated there makes up that society..
As usual, you are talking out of your exhaust pipe.
Government's are elected to deal with issues such as these - but it buys almost zero votes in Oz as most people don't give a damn. As we know, Howard hasn't even got the decency to apologise for the appalling treatment meted out to indigenous people.
Australia is only a new country if you choose to look through short-sighted, blinkered western eyes such as yours. It is clear that you are an apologist for Oz's racism. No doubt the UN staff decided to attack Australia's appalling record because they were bored
Aug 23rd 2006, 7:32 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by MikeStanton
As we know, Howard hasn't even got the decency to apologise for the appalling treatment meted out to indigenous people.
Aug 23rd 2006, 8:20 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by steandleigh
(with some changes)
Chavs are of a completely different culture, hence the misunderstandings surrounding them and also the ignorance which appears.Chav culture and lifestyle can be hard to comprehend from a 'normal persons' perspective.
Traditional Chavs: If you are Chav, your mother is usually your sister. Similar with the fellas. You have 'posh' cousins, (the ones with jobs) with whom you cannot associate. Their family systems are totally different - there is a very careful balance and planning of who can and cannot marry who within clans. (Chav female must NOT marry Bling male in case he outdoes her on the jewelry front) If you have a car, they will steal it becasue it's not just your own. Likewise with housing, cash and food. They believe in only taking what you need and have paid for so they can steal it. Young boys have a close asociation with one particular family member (usually an uncle who's done time) who guides them and shows them the way, imparting traditional ways, language and skills such as lock picking, TWOC-ing, Breaking and Entering. Funerals are an event and can last for months, where the women wail into their Baccardi and cokes, intricate ceremonies are carried out and the deceased persons name never mentioned again. Its is disrespectful to ask if you can have the baseball cap/bling rings and chains/tracksuit of the deceased.
Theres heaps and heaps more of what we might consider to be 'unusual' behaviours, traditions and so forth.
I was working with a child who was took someones lunch (because he came to school without any) and he promptly put it away to take back home at the end of the day because there is a pecking order in his family and he would give the food to his grandfather to divvi up the spoils of the crime.
Yes, there are plenty who collect the dole and get p*ssed and sit in the park all day. Theres a few white fellas out there that do that too. Alcohol and substance abuse, domestic violence, child abuse etc all happen within chav communities and believe it or not, they also happen in non-chav communities.
Lack of information and understanding breeds ignorance and the way forward is not by fanning the flames.
Aug 23rd 2006, 11:55 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by 232Bar
Sorry about the plagiarism
I don't want to take this too far, because for all I know, you could just be an idiot who knows no better but I will say this; get yourself up in the far north, try a couple of years at the coalface, working with Indigenous communties, addressing the issues and assisting them towards autonomy, instead of sitting on your arse at a computer making crap jibes.
Then you might be funny.
Aug 24th 2006, 12:33 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by 232Bar
Sorry about the plagiarism
Aug 24th 2006, 12:53 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by MikeStanton
I don't mean to be harsh, but it's a typical whining Oz excuse.
It's a thinly-disguised version of "Well, we white Australians do our best, but the Aborigines just don't want to know. So, it's not our fault."
Except it is.
Nobody said it was easy, but native Australians have one of the lowest life expectancies in the world, worse than Maoris and Native Americans - both of which have made far better progress. And Aboriginal death in police custody has exceeded South Africa during the apartheid years ("Oops, there goes another one; hanging himself with a toothbrush...")
I met a lot of Australians in Oz, and most don't give a damn about Aborigines; they just wish they'd disappear as they just see them as tarnishing Oz's "good" name. Talk about naive.
Oz has had more than 100 years to address the issue. And it has failed miserably.
The UN rightly accuses Oz, yet again, of practising intitutionalised racism on the real Australians. Oz racism bubbles below a very shallow surface.
Shame, Australia, shame.
It's a thinly-disguised version of "Well, we white Australians do our best, but the Aborigines just don't want to know. So, it's not our fault."
Except it is.
Nobody said it was easy, but native Australians have one of the lowest life expectancies in the world, worse than Maoris and Native Americans - both of which have made far better progress. And Aboriginal death in police custody has exceeded South Africa during the apartheid years ("Oops, there goes another one; hanging himself with a toothbrush...")
I met a lot of Australians in Oz, and most don't give a damn about Aborigines; they just wish they'd disappear as they just see them as tarnishing Oz's "good" name. Talk about naive.
Oz has had more than 100 years to address the issue. And it has failed miserably.
The UN rightly accuses Oz, yet again, of practising intitutionalised racism on the real Australians. Oz racism bubbles below a very shallow surface.
Shame, Australia, shame.
........................ mm
Aug 24th 2006, 3:55 am
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Re: Australian Natives
If I'm talking out of an exhaust pipe, yours must be the carbon Manoxide.
Okay to be pedantic, White Chief, no Australia isn't a new country, its first inhabitants were there 40-50 thousand years ago. And they got on quite nicely thank you very much without any interference until of course the white man came along.The Indigenous Australian population estimated at about 350,000 at the time of European settlement, declined steeply for 150 years following settlement, mainly because of infectious disease, and forced migration, the removal of children and other colonial government policies, which amounts to genocide. So since it was under British Government rule probably during most of this time, you could argue that the British Prime Minster, Mr Blair probably also owes these people a big apology and also included probably should have been the church, as they tend to always be a big player in inflicting themselves on people.
I think you are naive in thinking that a Government body will solve all the problems, they have put in measure to help, but to be totally successful also it is the community that should also put their two bobs worth in. Some are, ie in offering training programmes and employing Aborginals as well as making sure that money is going back into the Aborginal community.
Australia today is made up from people from 200 countries. If you look at the people in immigration nowadays, they are made up of different cultures and nationalities. If more companies and people who themselves have migrated for better opportunities all banded together to offer help and friendship, maybe as communities the problems can lessen. Countries at the end of the day are made up of communties and people, not governments, and it is a cop out to say, "Oh well that is what governments are there for, it is not my responsibility" It is part of the problem of society, to put the blame and responsibility onto everyone else.
There is unfairness in all aspects of life. But there are people from communties etc who try and make a difference, and it is often people that you never hear about etc, are making that difference, not necessarily the governments, who at the end of the day are politians out for themselves and what makes them look good. How many people didn't agree with Iraq and yet it still happened ,the government lies to it's people, thousands die, major screw up, and it's the unknown people who usually have to clear up the mess, people who care.
I think it is you who is blinkered, however, since I may be wrong, White Chief, please tell me what you did whilst you were a Citizen of Australia and lived there for 12 years, What did you do yourself to help these people? And what have you done since leaving to help them? Because if you did nothing you are no better than those who you accuse of racism.
Okay to be pedantic, White Chief, no Australia isn't a new country, its first inhabitants were there 40-50 thousand years ago. And they got on quite nicely thank you very much without any interference until of course the white man came along.The Indigenous Australian population estimated at about 350,000 at the time of European settlement, declined steeply for 150 years following settlement, mainly because of infectious disease, and forced migration, the removal of children and other colonial government policies, which amounts to genocide. So since it was under British Government rule probably during most of this time, you could argue that the British Prime Minster, Mr Blair probably also owes these people a big apology and also included probably should have been the church, as they tend to always be a big player in inflicting themselves on people.
I think you are naive in thinking that a Government body will solve all the problems, they have put in measure to help, but to be totally successful also it is the community that should also put their two bobs worth in. Some are, ie in offering training programmes and employing Aborginals as well as making sure that money is going back into the Aborginal community.
Australia today is made up from people from 200 countries. If you look at the people in immigration nowadays, they are made up of different cultures and nationalities. If more companies and people who themselves have migrated for better opportunities all banded together to offer help and friendship, maybe as communities the problems can lessen. Countries at the end of the day are made up of communties and people, not governments, and it is a cop out to say, "Oh well that is what governments are there for, it is not my responsibility" It is part of the problem of society, to put the blame and responsibility onto everyone else.
There is unfairness in all aspects of life. But there are people from communties etc who try and make a difference, and it is often people that you never hear about etc, are making that difference, not necessarily the governments, who at the end of the day are politians out for themselves and what makes them look good. How many people didn't agree with Iraq and yet it still happened ,the government lies to it's people, thousands die, major screw up, and it's the unknown people who usually have to clear up the mess, people who care.
I think it is you who is blinkered, however, since I may be wrong, White Chief, please tell me what you did whilst you were a Citizen of Australia and lived there for 12 years, What did you do yourself to help these people? And what have you done since leaving to help them? Because if you did nothing you are no better than those who you accuse of racism.
Originally Posted by MikeStanton
Mercedes,
As usual, you are talking out of your exhaust pipe.
Government's are elected to deal with issues such as these - but it buys almost zero votes in Oz as most people don't give a damn. As we know, Howard hasn't even got the decency to apologise for the appalling treatment meted out to indigenous people.
Australia is only a new country if you choose to look through short-sighted, blinkered western eyes such as yours. It is clear that you are an apologist for Oz's racism. No doubt the UN staff decided to attack Australia's appalling record because they were bored
As usual, you are talking out of your exhaust pipe.
Government's are elected to deal with issues such as these - but it buys almost zero votes in Oz as most people don't give a damn. As we know, Howard hasn't even got the decency to apologise for the appalling treatment meted out to indigenous people.
Australia is only a new country if you choose to look through short-sighted, blinkered western eyes such as yours. It is clear that you are an apologist for Oz's racism. No doubt the UN staff decided to attack Australia's appalling record because they were bored
Aug 24th 2006, 8:52 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by The Bloke
Are you a bit bored then?
Aug 24th 2006, 8:57 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by steandleigh
While I can see the humorous side of you plagiarising my post, I cannot see what on earth 'chavs' have in common with Indigenous Australians, at all. Or is that your ideology? - Indigenous Australians are akin to Chavs?
I don't want to take this too far, because for all I know, you could just be an idiot who knows no better but I will say this; get yourself up in the far north, try a couple of years at the coalface, working with Indigenous communties, addressing the issues and assisting them towards autonomy, instead of sitting on your arse at a computer making crap jibes.
Then you might be funny.
I don't want to take this too far, because for all I know, you could just be an idiot who knows no better but I will say this; get yourself up in the far north, try a couple of years at the coalface, working with Indigenous communties, addressing the issues and assisting them towards autonomy, instead of sitting on your arse at a computer making crap jibes.
Then you might be funny.
Aug 24th 2006, 9:56 am
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Re: Australian Natives
I think it's all token appease the Aboriginal here anyway, if they really meant it the Australians would give the whole country back to the Aboriginals anyway, not just bits and pieces (like South Africa gave the whole thing back). Plus they now say indigenous trees and indigenous animals etc. so that puts the Aboriginals back on a standing with the flora and fauna... that's the Australians doing that not the Expats.
