Australian Natives
Aug 21st 2006, 12:19 am
#31
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by seang
was just joshin' 
Aug 21st 2006, 12:20 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Hutch
By way of illustrating the fact that I fully understand that this country is not some sort of endless holiday camp of joy and fun - here's a very interesting article on the BBC website in which a UN housing expert says that "Australia's Aborigines live in some of the worst housing in the world." Government's response along the lines of "We just don't dip our lid to anybody, you see. We're an independent country and an independent government," is intersting too. 
Another brilliant start to another brilliant thread that seams to have just spiralled into anarchy how cool!!! arnt we missing someone though? i have to agree with one of the other posters, i worked with some Aborigines near Alice springs and they were so ashamed of how some of their people were behaving but saw few ways out of it, it was a complicated situation for them so we have no hope of ever getting to grips with it, but surely it shouldn't stop us talking about it! it didnt help the pollies trying to throw money at them in the 90's out of some kinda guilt.
Aug 21st 2006, 12:23 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Bix
See, you got carried away and posted more than once on a thread
Aug 21st 2006, 12:28 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by seang
was just joshin'
Have a beer. 
Aug 21st 2006, 12:29 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by The Bloke
Your forgiven. 
Have a beer.
Have a beer.
Aug 21st 2006, 12:30 am
#36
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by seang
You were always my favourite
Aug 21st 2006, 12:31 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Scossie
Ian Brown isn't Scottish!
Neither were the rest of The Stone Roses.
As for him, "torturing the English" I have to disagree.
I have some English friends who think that Ian is a bloody good musician!
Neither were the rest of The Stone Roses.
As for him, "torturing the English" I have to disagree.
I have some English friends who think that Ian is a bloody good musician!
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Aug 21st 2006, 2:10 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by seang
You were always my favourite
Aug 21st 2006, 7:31 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by The Bloke
If I can clarify what, I believe, the point Hiddenpaw was trying to make about exploitation. A vast percentage of "Aboriginal Art" souvenirs are not infact made by Indigenous Australians, but rather by European and American backpackers, with none of the profits going back into the "indigenous economy" to help raise the standard of living.
Some communities are trying diferrent means to raise the standard of living with various schemes eg emu farming.
Some communities are trying diferrent means to raise the standard of living with various schemes eg emu farming.
I think that the point whoever is making is that these people don't want or need a higher standard of living. They are happy to go out and find a lizard to eat rather than eat in an expensive restaurant and don't drool over a new Holden Ute or a shed. But what do I know, I am only a pom afterall.
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Aug 21st 2006, 8:34 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by NedKelly
I think that the point whoever is making is that these people don't want or need a higher standard of living. They are happy to go out and find a lizard to eat rather than eat in an expensive restaurant and don't drool over a new Holden Ute or a shed. But what do I know, I am only a pom afterall.
I was agreeing in part with Whoever but mainly clarifying the comment about exploitation of Indigenous Australians and their culture by people in the tourist industry out for a quick buck.
Aug 21st 2006, 9:02 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by seang
So whats the answer?
What would people see as a solution?
What would people see as a solution?
But IMHO we'd be off to a damn' good start if Australia had more people like Noel Pearson.
Aug 21st 2006, 9:04 am
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
There's no single answer and no single solution.
Aug 21st 2006, 1:04 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by NedKelly
I think that the point whoever is making is that these people don't want or need a higher standard of living. They are happy to go out and find a lizard to eat rather than eat in an expensive restaurant and don't drool over a new Holden Ute or a shed. But what do I know, I am only a pom afterall.
That's great to say it's fine for Aboriginal children to go out and catch lizards instead of go to school because it's thier culture but the fact of the matter is that this is Australia and it has changed since the British colonised. Everybody HAS TO adapt to the changing times. We all have to fit into Australia's policies if we want to live here, regardless of what background we come from, we are ruled by Oz law and have to live in Oz society whether we like it or not.
If I had children would it be acceptable for me to tell my 10 year old that it was okay for him to go out and play football instead of go to class because they are thier own person and can make those sorts of adult decisions? No, because I have to follow the rule of the land.
Aug 21st 2006, 1:31 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
That's great to say it's fine for Aboriginal children to go out and catch lizards instead of go to school because it's thier culture but the fact of the matter is that this is Australia and it has changed since the British colonised. Everybody HAS TO adapt to the changing times. We all have to fit into Australia's policies if we want to live here, regardless of what background we come from, we are ruled by Oz law and have to live in Oz society whether we like it or not.
If I had children would it be acceptable for me to tell my 10 year old that it was okay for him to go out and play football instead of go to class because they are thier own person and can make those sorts of adult decisions? No, because I have to follow the rule of the land.
If I had children would it be acceptable for me to tell my 10 year old that it was okay for him to go out and play football instead of go to class because they are thier own person and can make those sorts of adult decisions? No, because I have to follow the rule of the land.
Aug 21st 2006, 1:40 pm
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Re: Australian Natives
Originally Posted by NedKelly
I did not say it was fine for Aboriginal children to go out and catch lizards instead of going to school. I said they are happy to go out and catch lizards. There is a big difference.
