kporte

Honestly? That's not too bright

Damson

There was a depressing article on the news at the weekend on the immigrant 'camps' in Calais where people are desperately trying to reach the UK. When interviewed, one chap said that he had heard that the UK give you money for doing nothing and that he would like that very much! He tries to get onto the backs of lorries every day and is determined that he will do. Working God knows how many hours everyday and paying extortionate amounts of tax, I do feel pretty cheated to be subsidising people who basically have no intention of contributing anything to the economy. I wouldn't expect to enter Oz (or any other country) without the intention of contributing to it. There is a flip side of course. I was chatting recently to a Hungarian woman who works at the nursery our kids used to go. She is 'going home' as she can't stand the way she is being treated here with long working hours for not much pay and living in one room in a shared house and people being very hostile to her, poor woman.

Sonn

Yes thats what i think...We applied in Dec before the change, i was hoping that it would apply only to new applicants, i think thats only fair!
If we get taken off the MODL too would we get a refund???:curse:

jad n rich

Oh gawd

Check out how much free money the bloody aus government gives away, to the newly arrived and those who cant be bothed to get off their huge asses. Then check out tax rates in OZ.

Good to hear you wont be hitting centerlink when you first arrive thought

BAY

I don't belieive that the economic meltdown is down to the UK (EU) immigration policy or illegal immigration but because of the meltdown thousands of jobs are being lost so there should be a cap on immigration, just like Australia. Would you be happy to be competing for jobs against immigrants from the EU ? What did Gordon Brown say ? 'British jobs for British people'

As regards the economic meltdown in the UK, I do hold Tony Blair and Gordon Brown partly/largely responsible for it. It was their mismanagement of the economy, encouraging everyone to go in huge personnal debt etc etc that caused it. They should have been regulating the banks. The UK had the best pension system in the world before they destroyed it. :curse: . Typical NU-Labour spin that they try to blame it on it being a global thing.

bcworld

With an election fast approaching though, what do you think Gordon Brown has to gain from supposedly failing to ring fence British jobs for British people?

Perhaps the policymakers have a view that goes passed then end of next week. There are plenty of economists out there that believe that slamming the door shut in the face of a slowing economy is exactly the wrong thing to do because immigrants also stimulate an economy and lead to greater demand.

Dorothy

No, you would not get a refund. Removal from MODL does not affect your previously lodged application. Your application would still be assessed based on the criteria in effect when it was lodged. If by some chance you do not meet the minimum points required your application will be "pooled" for up to 2 years. This gives you 2 years to either increase your total points or for the minimum points to be decreased.

www.immi.gov.au sets out all the information about refunds and pooling.

BAY

But there are currently, on average, 10 people chasing every job vacancy in the UK. That can't be a good thing My gripe is not about immigration but about uncontrolled immigration.

moneypenny20

Do you know for a fact that there isn't a cap on immigration? Britain is part of the EU and as such there are free borders - both ways. It wasn't Brown and Blair who agreed that, it wasn't New Labour who agreed the terms of Britain joining the EU and because of the way it works, they cannot now close the borders to the rest of the EU but that's not their fault. As for encouraging everyone to get into huge personal debt, you have a short memory. I think you'll find that was Thatcher, people became greedy and their children copied them.

I will agree that there should have been more regulation of the banks and yes you can blame Blair and Brown for that mess, however, the recession would still have happened because of the very close links the UK has to the US, may not have been so severe though but we'll never know for sure.

It's still got nothing to do with a supposed but as yet unconfirmed cut in Autralian migration numbers.

ozzieeagle

What happens to EU Citizens when they go to Finland/Denmark or Sweden, I understand the Scandinavian Countries have even more social benefits than the UK.

I'm not sure what happens with Social benefits, in countries like Germany/Austria/Holland/Belgium or Ireland for that matter ?

I know France likes to look after it's own, does that pretty well on the social services front apparently.

jad n rich

Perhaps Scandanavians have a forum whinging about poms coming to Scandanavia for the benefits

I know a mate of mine who went to live in Spain about 3 years ago, is now returning to the UK, financially she has gone downhill at a rapid pace, sounds like they certanly look after their own when jobs are involved, dont know a thing about social security. She went with a divorce settlement, all thats left is now tied up in the villa

ozzieeagle

Just wondered if there was a semblance of a level playing field, amongst the Northern European Countries, when it came to Social Security. If not surely thats an issue for the EU as a whole. ?

ozzieeagle

Does this following ruling cover all European Countries where there are social security payments ?

http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/emire...RYGGHET-SE.htm

moneypenny20

I'm sure they do. I'm convinced there is are French and Spanish forums moaning about the Brits but it's funny how some Brits often think this stuff only happens in Britain.

ozzieeagle

Yes I'm sure they do as well, as my research this afternoon has shown me that equal access to local social security applies to all EEC member nations.

So what the Poles and Romanians do, UK people can do within the better social security domains of Denmark Finland and Sweden. It's a shame Norway isnt in the EEC yet, as one can probably get by with not having to learn the local language there. Unless Norway has a special social security arrangement with the UK, like it has with it's Scandinavian Neighbours.

BTW one of the Scandianvian nations claims to have the best social security and pension schemes in the world... Finland I think






http://europa.eu.int/eures/main.jsp?...yId=DK&living=