the troubadour

Well far from fine. The horses were getting jumpy with constant bad polling. Retirement pensions were becoming something polly's began to sweat over. The Right Wing, being given far too much ear space to allowing far too much influence over extremely bad party policy. From savaging welfare to idiotic tax cuts for big business (whom were already milking it for everything it was worth) A total disregard for the public at large. Turnbull,s only win, being Gay marriage , hardly a resounding legacy .
At least the outcome displayed the glaring treachery abounding in that fractured and purely self absorbed party of tricksters.

the troubadour

Purely a practise run at banana status. But then the crop is fearing rather well over in Merica it would appear. Could this provoke a trade war and Eagle versus Kangaroo feather/fur flurry?

the troubadour

Well no hardly democracy in the true form, if that at all means one vote one say. The present system of gerrymandering, is opposite pole to democracy as is a system where a government can take position, without having a clear majority of votes cast for it.

Amazulu

Democracy takes many forms - one man, one vote is the basis but the outcome may be different - Westminster first past the post, US electoral college system, proportional representation etc. All are valid forms of democracy

Political science 101

Hope this helps

the troubadour

Not democracy in the form intended. If one validates the equality of one vote to equal say. I don't require a spin on what I knows passes or is claimed as a democratic process, as I am well aware of that. Simply what is practised, in a system that can be 'altered', to take advantage of perceived or assured gain, cannot in all truth be democracy in its true form.

Amazulu

Okay, I've got it. The UK, Australia, the US etc are not democracies

Sorry for the confusion

Beoz

You just repeated what I wrote. Thanks

BritInParis

Like I said, his premise was Australia was lucky because it could rely on mass immigration and natural resources for its economic success rather than, say, innovation or wise governance. I think that continues to largely be the case although not sustainable going forward for much longer.

You seem just to be repeating what others have already posted?

Beoz

Why do you believe that is not sustainable? It would be beneficial if Australia could rely on other industries for growth, but I do not see the worlds appetite for natural resources and immigration reducing. In regard to natural resources, the type of resource may change, and Australia does have a vast variety it can tap into.

Amazulu

The resource super cycle (aka the Asian century, rising China, shift from West to East etc) is still in play. We are away's down it (how far? Who knows). It is an upwards trend but with peaks and troughs in that trend

We are front and centre, part of this - a wealthy, advanced western democracy in Asia, blessed with what they need

Beoz

Here we go. The poster gets his wish on worst case scenario.

Just so he can say "I told you so", "I can now buy a house".

Well he won't be able to buy a house, he won't have a job.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/deep-recession-house-prices-could-fall-more-than-30-per-cent-in-ubs-doomsday-scenario/news-story/b8c2cf775749852c794428805b76c538

the troubadour

Your on the right path, even being sarcastic. No my fault if you don't understand democracy. Or at least how it can be abused and influence by unelected bodies that do under mine the entire process. Although you were not raised in a country, following the democratic process, so allowances made.

Now a great example, to show how the democratic process can be so easily manipulated, indeed corrupted, outside of gerrymandering, which previously discussed, is the subversion of democracy by the very rich or influential. The billionaire mining tycoons targeting the well appointed new resource tax in 2010 I think it was, pointed clearly to sinister goings on behind the scenes. The dirty tricks of mining companies prepared to play dirty, resulted in an elected government being deposed several weeks later.
That was of course, subverting a function democracy.
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the troubadour

We are but a quarry for foreign companies to exploit and produce little of real value. We are in that sense, a developing world country , exploited cheaply, to produce a finished good shipped back at price. Bit like Nauru I suppose, once the richest country, now its phosphate has been exploited leaving holes in the ground, but little of long term value.
Afraid selling coffees to one another , flipping over inflated, depreciating houses, selling rather ordinary education to overseas students, with the carrot they can stay on afterwards, added to declining living standards well documented, is probably not going to cut the mustard, even with the most positive focused people, as myself.

the troubadour

But it doesn't do anything other than ship out raw resources which are largely dependant on overseas pricing. Australia produces little finished product of high value. The mining companies with their 2010, scare campaign, cost Australia dearly.

WA, is a prime example. Not long out of the biggest mining boom in its history, or at least living memory, and in serious debt. Even with the mining company ripping off the Country and state, in particular, we have come out in bad shape. The hangover remains.

the troubadour

Best not to attempt a free picky back on my expense. You did not write that Turnbull did a very average job at the helm. More the case you found agreement with my take. To which my reply would be, why wouldn't you ?