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Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

Old Dec 30th 2014, 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by nphilips
They won't. Plane dropped from 36,000 to 24,000 in a minute. Flying into the biggest thunderstorm in the area for some time or 'dry cell' crashes aircraft as we've seen before.
Hmm, although it looks to be a contributory factor, the precise circumstances don't look like weather being a full explanation of such a massive behaviour.

AirAsia Flight 8501:Preliminary meteorological analysis - Weather Graphics
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Default Re: Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

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Hmm, although it looks to be a contributory factor, the precise circumstances don't look like weather being a full explanation of such a massive behaviour.

AirAsia Flight 8501:Preliminary meteorological analysis - Weather Graphics
Plane flown to close to CC (Coffin Corner). Current industry lack of training in using weather radar (WXR) in non auto mode. Too much more for here.
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Default Re: Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

Originally Posted by nphilips
Plane flown to close to CC (Coffin Corner). Current industry lack of training in using weather radar (WXR) in non auto mode. Too much more for here.
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Default Re: Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

Originally Posted by nphilips
Plane flown to close to CC (Coffin Corner). Current industry lack of training in using weather radar (WXR) in non auto mode. Too much more for here.
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Indeed. Technical info is more than welcome here.
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Default Re: Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

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Indeed. Technical info is more than welcome here.
Pay-to-Fly has a lot to answer for
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Default Re: Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

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That wasn't very technical - or enlightening!
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Default Re: Air Asia Flight QZ 8501 Missing

Originally Posted by nphilips
Plane flown to close to CC (Coffin Corner). Current industry lack of training in using weather radar (WXR) in non auto mode. Too much more for here.
Originally Posted by nphilips
Pay-to-Fly has a lot to answer for
Not sure a captain with 20,537 hours quite come in for that problem. 2,275 for the co-pilot ain't as great, but reports have the pilot in control at the time.

Other reports are saying that the aircraft suddenly "lost 200km/h in speed", creating the stall. If true that's a pretty severe effect for a storm alone, and doesn't explain why they failed to exit the stall, given their altitude.

My guess is still that its a combination of at least two things (which is usually the case anyway).

For others, coffin corner is as altitude increases the gap between the minimum, stall, speed and the maximum overspeed decreases - meaning you need to keep the aircraft within a narrower and narrower band of speeds (hence corner). Pay-to-Fly is an iniquitous situation where you can't get a job as a pilot without a reasonable number of hours, and you can't get those hours without flying, so some low-cost airlines ask for the pilot to pay *them* money to be allowed to fly and get the hours. That both decreases the pay/conditions of other, more experienced pilots (hence they hate it) and puts inexperienced first officers in charge of big jets - based on money, not capability.

In short, a 'career' in an industry where people so want to fly that they will pay to do it - you're going to have a bad time.
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