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Old Sep 19th 2018, 1:40 am
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Another problem was the Liberal Howard government ceased auditing government funding back in the nineties. Resulting in a lack of transparency just where money goes. The Morrison government putting in a few million. does little to compensate for the huge amounts taken out when he was Treasurer. The drip, drip decline in social spending has got us to the situation we have arrived at in many areas of vulnerability. All a shame and resulting in a country barely recognisable from thirty years ago.
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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
Looking at a couple of private care providers in the Perth area, current cost for full time live in care in the home, including night care, is $11,000 per week. If you can afford that, great. If not, you might want to at least consider applying for government assistance in the form of an in home care package subsidy.
Make that 12/7 care!
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Make that 12/7 care!
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I assume the above post refers to liner cruising , already a de facto age care facility, with some barely ever leaving their cabin, having sever mobility difficulties. I think the wisdom is cheaper than aged care facilities of any note, provided with usually top notch food, Philippine cabin staff , possibly far more attentive, than nursing home staff, but not sure what they must pay for medical insurances, as visits to the ships doctor, or hospital is charged at full private hospital rates. Insurance certainly gets rather expensive after seventy, and if suffering pre existing ailments would be cruelly expensive.
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I assume the above post refers to liner cruising , already a de facto age care facility, with some barely ever leaving their cabin, having sever mobility difficulties. I think the wisdom is cheaper than aged care facilities of any note, provided with usually top notch food, Philippine cabin staff , possibly far more attentive, than nursing home staff, but not sure what they must pay for medical insurances, as visits to the ships doctor, or hospital is charged at full private hospital rates. Insurance certainly gets rather expensive after seventy, and if suffering pre existing ailments would be cruelly expensive.
I believe ships cruise insurance is quite a bit cheaper, stil exensive I bet though.
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Absolutely no good for the people we're talking about, ie people who have age-related medical, physical or cognitive needs of a severity that requires them to either move into an aged care facility, or hire this care privately.
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
.It is interesting to witness the well being experienced the further south one travels in Europe , with the old in far more evidence in the community and active parts.
I believe it is this that keeps the ageing mind more agile. Nothing worse than ageing alone out of community participation, with reliance on immediate family (if any) for contact and socialisation.
Keeping an interest in life, discussing events outside immediate reality, keeping the mind ticking over, travelling if that's your thing, basically wanting to be alive, goes a long way towards personal salvation in age IMO.

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The south factor you mention would be warmer climate and the focus on family gathering, surely. But then you mention the northerly Scandi factor which is probably funds based..my wife and I have a bolthole of sorts and an option..

I sometimes wonder if education levels are the key. If you spent your adult life drinking, smoking and watching TV then age will catch up on you when all of a sudden nothing changes and there is nothing to talk about or think about. If you have had an active and varied life, retirement for some is a time to start pivoting to other or the reinforcement of regular activities with the time gained. I know people who retired in their 60s and spend most of their time cross country skiing.They just have it together. All they write, or read all the material they didn't have the time for early on. If you spent your life completing wordsearches and reading the Daily Express this will hasten your demise...I am partly joking of course, but I do see correlations in those that seem to age faster than others...
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
I believe ships cruise insurance is quite a bit cheaper, stil exensive I bet though.
Are they? Never heard that before. Pre existing conditions usually amounts to inflated payments required. Countries/Continents of ports of call declaration required as well. Ships can indeed be very unhealthy places with compromised immune systems plentiful, but infectious bugs more so. That's before more serious age related illness, accidents and injury.
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I'll know my life is effectively over when I start going on cruises

Cruising is a bastion for the nearly dead

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The south factor you mention would be warmer climate and the focus on family gathering, surely. But then you mention the northerly Scandi factor which is probably funds based..my wife and I have a bolthole of sorts and an option..

I sometimes wonder if education levels are the key. If you spent your adult life drinking, smoking and watching TV then age will catch up on you when all of a sudden nothing changes and there is nothing to talk about or think about. If you have had an active and varied life, retirement for some is a time to start pivoting to other or the reinforcement of regular activities with the time gained. I know people who retired in their 60s and spend most of their time cross country skiing.They just have it together. All they write, or read all the material they didn't have the time for early on. If you spent your life completing wordsearches and reading the Daily Express this will hasten your demise...I am partly joking of course, but I do see correlations in those that seem to age faster than others...
Well worth pondering the fact that the heaviest smokers are in the south. Sitting around not too uncommon either, but promenade may still be common and all importantly communication is more valued. Unless things have changed over the past decade, with modern social media, (perhaps it has with the young) getting out and meeting was common.
I believe all too many become ever more 'reclusive' post working age which disconnects from what's going on around them, to which social media, can only go a small part of the way in filling. I think an ever large number are doing things like extensive cruising to fill in a void in their lives. Their communication seems to reflect this. Loneliness and lack of community to which groups may or may not be successful in averting.
Maintaining an interest in the world around one, would I expect be a good place to start. Not seeking out salvation through others may help along proceedings, while not closing of social opportunities and shutting out people.
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Well worth pondering the fact that the heaviest smokers are in the south. Sitting around not too uncommon either, but promenade may still be common and all importantly communication is more valued. Unless things have changed over the past decade, with modern social media, (perhaps it has with the young) getting out and meeting was common.
I believe all too many become ever more 'reclusive' post working age which disconnects from what's going on around them, to which social media, can only go a small part of the way in filling. I think an ever large number are doing things like extensive cruising to fill in a void in their lives. Their communication seems to reflect this. Loneliness and lack of community to which groups may or may not be successful in averting.
Maintaining an interest in the world around one, would I expect be a good place to start. Not seeking out salvation through others may help along proceedings, while not closing of social opportunities and shutting out people.
It is an individual thing surely. I know people who are aged who are happy to grow veggies on 2 acres and are happy to be rather more introverted. I think people have to have something; a motivation. It is also worth knowing you have lived a good life. A suburban life of Friday night football, ready meals and supermarket aisles may not cut it. This promenade :-) you see in S Europe a good thing, I would think. Connection with yourself, others, and things is key whatever it might be..also being part of something bigger than yourself ..(actually I have heard one pillar of well-being called transcendence...there are others ).
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It is an individual thing surely. I know people who are aged who are happy to grow veggies on 2 acres and are happy to be rather more introverted. I think people have to have something; a motivation. It is also worth knowing you have lived a good life. A suburban life of Friday night football, ready meals and supermarket aisles may not cut it. This promenade :-) you see in S Europe a good thing, I would think. Connection with yourself, others, and things is key whatever it might be..also being part of something bigger than yourself ..(actually I have heard one pillar of well-being called transcendence...there are others ).
Yes it is individual buy I believe possible options towards well being do need to be outlined. Narcissism, the cult of today, becomes less practical as one ages, if ever very practical at any stage outside of puberty.
Transcendence has been around quite sometime, some would term it a New Age thing but certainly not without merit. There are yoga classes in all Australian cities practising that. Personally I'm a big fan of philosophy and seeking meaning and/or asking questions and seeking answers but not accepting populist sentiment of the present time in question as having much to do with the actual realty. I guess it gets down to the epistemological problem , 'How do we know what is real'?.
Ever heard of Epicurus? His question was 'How does one make the most of ones life'? The answer being rather simplistic at first hearing, 'Life a happy life'. Actually is simple, but the message and meaning of happiness has been lost along the way. One thing for certain though, there are few perfect ends.
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
I'll know my life is effectively over when I start going on cruises

Cruising is a bastion for the nearly dead

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Well in your case perhaps. There are cruises for every occasion. There are gay cruises, swingers cruises, adventure cruises, and so on. I've done Venice to Durban, stopping down West Coast of Africa and the thirties Europeans was the dominant age group. Loads of fun. Same short excursions from Fremantle to Adelaide. An older profile, but worth every cent for the sea days and stop overs en route.
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