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Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by ponyrama
(Post 8745873)
Pass me a bucket! I'm feeling a little billious. I'm happy with my sentimental claptrap as you call it. After all I dont own a flag. So no chance of me claiming the next country I happen to come across regardless of anyone else actually being there first. So my claptrap is all I have left! Go figure.
This argument has been done to death many times before... we get the girlies on saying the sort of sentimental nonsense that you are coming out with... and then the blokes come on and present a more realistic view of what the world is actually like and pretty much always has been. Since man started walking this earth there has been conflict, the strong displace the weak. That's the way its always been and probably always will be. It has nothing to do with flags or countries and if don't like it, then that's just tough... there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
(Post 8745916)
There's Kim Jong Ill's justification then!
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Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 8745912)
Surely evolution does that to us all anyway. *shrug*
If it means less disenfranchised people here who support themselves and have a good life, then it's all good. |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8745934)
I agree with you... but you get the apologists who would argue that its better for them to maintain their culture exactly as it was for 40,000 years. It's nonsense and ignores the realities of life.
I think in this country we're all pretty free to live alternative lifestyles. If aboriginal people want to live like that, then it's fine. I know people who follow paleo lifestyles (and yes some hunt their own meat) so, heck, isn't it pretty much the same thing? It's about choice. It would be good if we all had true choice. |
Re: Aborigines?
Look, they get pished, throw loadsa parties, get pure like loadsa money from the state - and rob people blind.
What's NOT admirable about that ffs? :D:unsure: |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 8745945)
Really? Well you learn something new...
I think in this country we're all pretty free to live alternative lifestyles. If aboriginal people want to live like that, then it's fine. I know people who follow paleo lifestyles (and yes some hunt their own meat) so, heck, isn't it pretty much the same thing? It's about choice. It would be good if we all had true choice. |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8745963)
It would be ****ing disaster if we all had true choice. We live as a society, cheek by jowl, and true choice for all would be anarchy. We all live within boundaries and rules and that is the only way any society will ever function.
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Re: Aborigines?
Can I just ask, as this is something I'm very interested in learning more about, but I'm not massively into reading as it's part of my everyday life as a teacher and I don't get much enjoyment from it. Are there any documentaries/films explaining the history? I just feel, as a teacher who has recently moved to Australia, that I really should know more about the country in which I now live? :o
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Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by ponyrama
(Post 8745729)
I have been able to gain some insight into the culture and beliefs of Aboriginal people...
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...lt-trespassers The Kimberly Land Council, which is defending the brothers, is claiming that because the assault took place in an area which holds an "exclusive possession native title", the Hopigas had the right to use reasonable force to defend their land against trespassers. The defence has successfully prevented the state prosecutor from attending the site because she is a woman and it would be offensive for her to travel into the sacred area. |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8745917)
Please yourself as to what you think.
This argument has been done to death many times before... we get the girlies on saying the sort of sentimental nonsense that you are coming out with... and then the blokes come on and present a more realistic view of what the world is actually like and pretty much always has been. Since man started walking this earth there has been conflict, the strong displace the weak. That's the way its always been and probably always will be. It has nothing to do with flags or countries and if don't like it, then that's just tough... there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8746011)
...and with perfect timing, from today's news. I guess they wouldn't be as impressed with you as you are with them.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...lt-trespassers The Kimberly Land Council, which is defending the brothers, is claiming that because the assault took place in an area which holds an "exclusive possession native title", the Hopigas had the right to use reasonable force to defend their land against trespassers. The defence has successfully prevented the state prosecutor from attending the site because she is a woman and it would be offensive for her to travel into the sacred area. |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by ponyrama
(Post 8746038)
I will please myself thank you. After all I am just a stupid female and you obviously know better, earn more money than me, and have a more educated, higher plane of existence type view than I can ever hope to aspire to simply because you were blessed with two Y's.
Luckily I am not trying to impress anyone. Thank you for reposting the relevant parts of the article as due to my femininity I would have had trouble clicking on the link, reading the article and working out the pertinent points. Much appreciated. Please come round at approximately 10pm to show me how to get ready for bed, brush my teeth, turn back the bed sheets and fall asleep soundly till tomorrow - because to be honest I am so dumb I need to re learn these things every single day. Thank god (my god no one elses) for men like you! :wub::wub::wub: |
Re: Aborigines?
Nurse makes "inappropriate" comment regarding the behaviour of an aboriginal alcoholic who was aggressive/abusive/violent...... said summit about spending benefits on alcohol whilst their children run riot terrorising the local community... and the government feeding their dogs for them..... Nurse VERY angry... professional to pts face... vented in staff room... Overheard by Dr who reports "racist" incident to management.... "at this stage' does not want to make a formal complaint but wants an apology from the nurse....
Human Resources involved Investigation follows possible witnesses to alledged racist incident questioned "discretely" "evidence" gathered disciplinary action threatened Letters from managers Resulting in formal disciplinary meeting Said nurse attends formal meeting supported by her "Tribe Elder" an aboriginal rights activist .... who questions what is racist about the comments made and asks why an aboriginal can't express their opinion of some one from their own people freely without being persecuted by white people AGAIN |
Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8746048)
Heigh ho.... If you can't respond with any sort of coherent discussion then I guess there isn't much point continuing.
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Re: Aborigines?
Originally Posted by BudBrain
(Post 8744503)
I only remember seeing a single aborigine (selling touristy presents) in a town centre. :D |
Re: Aborigines?
As someone yet to move to Australia, I am absolutely :ohmy: at my Australian husbands attitude when talking about Aborigines. To be honest, his attitude makes my blood boil. His defence is, you'll see what they're like when you get there.
I have made it clear that he keeps his views to himself and doesn't instil any of his views on our children. I am aware that there are problems and having read this thread, I understand a bit more. I only hope that my experiences of Aborigines when I finally arrive in Aus will mean that I take each person on their own merits and that I don't lump them all together as a problem that I don't want. Although, I refuse to aplogise for anything I was not party to. I had nothing to do with the stolen generation (though I am :mad: it ever happened) and as such I will not accept it as an excuse to be treated badly by anyone. |
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