3 nations
Nov 30th 2010, 2:33 am
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Re: 3 nations
It's all very complicated 
When I was in the UK a university educated, articulate, seemingly switched on Londoner in his thirties was telling me that the whole of Ireland was still under Westminster rule. Funny how long some news takes to get through 
When I was in the UK a university educated, articulate, seemingly switched on Londoner in his thirties was telling me that the whole of Ireland was still under Westminster rule. Funny how long some news takes to get through
Nov 30th 2010, 2:34 am
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Re: 3 nations
Ain't that the truth. Check out some of the posts on this website for views out of the dark ages.
Nov 30th 2010, 4:34 am
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Re: 3 nations
Or your average Australian (sorry to compare Brits and Aussies)...the amount of times I've been asked what part of the States I'm from since I moved here...I think only one person got it right and he admitted he was just guessing (50/50, hey).
Nov 30th 2010, 5:08 am
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Nov 30th 2010, 5:14 am
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Re: 3 nations
While talking about the use of Pom I agree that some don't know the difference...for the large amount that do know the basics I usually hear it used like this:
Obviously English = Pom
Welsh usually thought of as English = Sheep Worrier
Obviously Scottish = Tight Wad
Obviously Irish = Drunk
Northern English = Whippet Fancier
Obviously English = Pom
Welsh usually thought of as English = Sheep Worrier
Obviously Scottish = Tight Wad
Obviously Irish = Drunk
Northern English = Whippet Fancier
Nov 30th 2010, 6:06 am
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Nov 30th 2010, 6:17 am
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Re: 3 nations
Nov 30th 2010, 6:37 am
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Re: 3 nations
Well in Ormiston (near Cleveland, south of Brisbane), you are welcomed like a long lost son if you have Scots ancestory.
Ormiston house has an open day a few times a year, and it has kilted bagpipe marching bands, and all the old dears on the stalls are Scots. As soon as you mention you were born in Scotland they are all over you.
One lady explained to me that the original 'Lord Ormiston' (Lord Hope from Scotland) set up Ormiston house on Moreton Bay because the view reminded him so much of the view across the Firth of Forth from South QueensFerry near Edinburgh. Now Ormiston is a mecca for Scots. I'm not joking, check Ormiston House open days, you'll meet 1000's of Scots.
JTL
Ormiston house has an open day a few times a year, and it has kilted bagpipe marching bands, and all the old dears on the stalls are Scots. As soon as you mention you were born in Scotland they are all over you.
One lady explained to me that the original 'Lord Ormiston' (Lord Hope from Scotland) set up Ormiston house on Moreton Bay because the view reminded him so much of the view across the Firth of Forth from South QueensFerry near Edinburgh. Now Ormiston is a mecca for Scots. I'm not joking, check Ormiston House open days, you'll meet 1000's of Scots.
JTL
Nov 30th 2010, 7:06 am
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Re: 3 nations
From my experiences, the Celts are looked upon more fondly in general.
Scottish or Irish ancestry seems to be more common or at least more sought after in Australia. A lot of the early explorers and pioneers of Australia were Scottish, especially down here in Victoria, but also a lot of Irish were pioneers. The Irish were one of the most important group of people in Australia's early days and therefore have influenced a lot of the Australian culture.
People here are almost always more proud if they find out they have Celtic roots. Don't ask me why but it is pretty much a fact.
I seem to have more Scottish ancestry than from anywhere else from what my family has uncovered.
-On a side note, Just a question for anyone who might know.
Are many of the miners in Devon and Cornwall going back to the early 1600s, of which many of them and their families basically stayed in the same villages for centuries, likely to be of Celtic origin?
I have traced one side of the family, (direct line) back this far. They were all miners and mine managers in Cornwall and Devon and came out to Victoria during the 1850s gold rush. They all stayed in the same towns and villages way back until at least the 1600s. I know Cornwall and Devon are historically Celtic areas with their own language etc.
Scottish or Irish ancestry seems to be more common or at least more sought after in Australia. A lot of the early explorers and pioneers of Australia were Scottish, especially down here in Victoria, but also a lot of Irish were pioneers. The Irish were one of the most important group of people in Australia's early days and therefore have influenced a lot of the Australian culture.
People here are almost always more proud if they find out they have Celtic roots. Don't ask me why but it is pretty much a fact.
I seem to have more Scottish ancestry than from anywhere else from what my family has uncovered.
-On a side note, Just a question for anyone who might know.
Are many of the miners in Devon and Cornwall going back to the early 1600s, of which many of them and their families basically stayed in the same villages for centuries, likely to be of Celtic origin?
I have traced one side of the family, (direct line) back this far. They were all miners and mine managers in Cornwall and Devon and came out to Victoria during the 1850s gold rush. They all stayed in the same towns and villages way back until at least the 1600s. I know Cornwall and Devon are historically Celtic areas with their own language etc.
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Nov 30th 2010, 7:33 am
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Re: 3 nations
Are many of the miners in Devon and Cornwall going back to the early 1600s, of which many of them and their families basically stayed in the same villages for centuries, likely to be of Celtic origin?
I have traced one side of the family, (direct line) back this far. They were all miners and mine managers in Cornwall and Devon and came out to Victoria during the 1850s gold rush. They all stayed in the same towns and villages way back until at least the 1600s. I know Cornwall and Devon are historically Celtic areas with their own language etc.
I have traced one side of the family, (direct line) back this far. They were all miners and mine managers in Cornwall and Devon and came out to Victoria during the 1850s gold rush. They all stayed in the same towns and villages way back until at least the 1600s. I know Cornwall and Devon are historically Celtic areas with their own language etc.
The rest of the Island has been invaded by Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons , Jutes, and Romans, in reverse order .
Bastards the lot of them.
.JTL
Nov 30th 2010, 7:46 am
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Re: 3 nations
Yes, but but apparently the Cornish language died out a few years ago when the last speaker of it died. They were Celts, as were the Welsh, the Scotti (Scots) and the Irish.
The rest of the Island has been invaded by Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons , Jutes, and Romans, in reverse order .
Bastards the lot of them..
JTL
The rest of the Island has been invaded by Normans, Vikings, Angles, Saxons , Jutes, and Romans, in reverse order .
Bastards the lot of them.
.JTL
after all what have the romans ever done for us?